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re: Dementia: Disabling Firearms
Posted on 3/3/22 at 2:13 pm to TSLG
Posted on 3/3/22 at 2:13 pm to TSLG
One thing to note is if you remove the firearms or render them unusable make sure you have a discussion with any of his older friends because they may well replace them for him without you knowing. DAMHIK.
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Posted on 3/3/22 at 2:17 pm to lsu13lsu
quote:Hey Criminals:
Take away guns from mentally ill people. Period.
The whole State of Arkansas is fixing to be disarmed....
Posted on 3/3/22 at 2:18 pm to Obtuse1
quote:
DAMHIK
I sure hope your cautionary tale includes someone called 'Peepaw', a Piggly Wiggly, and a jar of pickles
Posted on 3/3/22 at 2:19 pm to TSLG
The safety of the person with dementia (and yourself) is far more important than their feels.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 2:24 pm to TSLG
DO NOT disable firearms and then leave them there. Then you have a dementia patient trying to fix them, which can be very dangerous in and of itself. If there is concern, remove the firearms.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 2:33 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
quote:
No firing pin. You'd have to disassemble the hammer
Firing pin is attached to the hammer. Either punch the pin out and remove it, or if you think he would notice then just file it down to where it does not protrude through the firing pin hole. It can easily be replaced later.
Smith and Wesson
Colt
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 3/3/22 at 2:38 pm to TSLG
quote:
Dementia
Remove the weapons from their possession as soon as you can. Not sure what the relation is, but be candid and be available to supervise the use if they are still somewhat able to, but they likely won't be for long anyway.
Sorry for your situation whatever it might be. Miserable fricking disease.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 2:45 pm to TSLG
tricky situation. If you can't convince him to let you keep them, try to convince him to keep them in a gun safe. You can jimmy with the combination when he is not around so he can't open it. It LE gets involved, it's going to be a poopshow.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 2:56 pm to TSLG
I would say absolutely do not try to tamper with the guns. There are just so many ways this could go wrong, especially if you are not an expert in that field. As others have said, they really just need to be taken away. Sorry you are in that situation.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 3:06 pm to TSLG
If he's to the point of needing his guns removed there's no need to stage it. Just remove them when he's having a bad day and from then on blame it on "the Burglary" when he asks about them. In my experience he'll pretend to remember "the burglary" rather than admit he doesn't know what you're talking about.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 3:12 pm to FlyingPelican
quote:
Years ago an actor shot himself with a blank, the shockwave and the wadding were enough to kill him.
If you're thinking of Brandon Lee, that wasn't from the force of a blank. It was a blank firing a squib load.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 3:17 pm to Slagathor
quote:
I sure hope your cautionary tale includes someone called 'Peepaw', a Piggly Wiggly, and a jar of pickles
Close enough. My first glimpse into seeing removed items replaced was with OTC epinephrine-based asthma inhalers. They don't exist now due to meth smurfs. He started having heart issues and the cardiologists said no more OTC inhalers and gave him daily and emergency asthma treatments. He appealed to his sister saying Obtuse and Mrs Obtuse won't get me my medicine so my aunt dutifully (thinking I'm an a-hole) went to the store and bought him an inhaler. For about 6 months he had a sign on his door from me that said "DO NOT BUY OBTUSE SR. ANY MEDICINE WITHOUT TALKING TO OBTUSE. He was hitting everyone from his pastor to old friends to get his fix.
I should have seen it coming with the guns but I figured it out quickly when I came to visit and was staring into the barrel of a S&W 686.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 3:26 pm to udtiger
Take them away. Period.
---I mean, if you think they'd notice you COULD replace them with similar looking prop/replica non-shooter
---I mean, if you think they'd notice you COULD replace them with similar looking prop/replica non-shooter
Posted on 3/3/22 at 3:26 pm to TSLG
Very normal sentiment for someone slipping into deep dementia. Hospice agencies have little pamphlets to prepare you(caregivers & family/friends) for what to expect and how to deal with it. Really helps in making decisions.
Also, read the book "The 36 Hour Day" authored by Mace & Rabins. Really eye opening and changes your perceptions.
Guns - I started by unloading those that were easily accessible. Then a little later I moved them from their hiding places(under bed, sofas, closets, etc.) and locked in a secure place(safe or lockable closet) When the subject was brought up, I said that I locked them up to avoid theft when they were gone. He felt comfortable with that. Toughest part was to get him from concealed carrying a .40 cal SA every time he left the house. Reminded that medical facilities wouldn't allow even legally carried weapons inside. Pretty soon he would stop asking for his weapon when he was about to be taken somewhere.
Best wishes. It's not easy.
Also, read the book "The 36 Hour Day" authored by Mace & Rabins. Really eye opening and changes your perceptions.
Guns - I started by unloading those that were easily accessible. Then a little later I moved them from their hiding places(under bed, sofas, closets, etc.) and locked in a secure place(safe or lockable closet) When the subject was brought up, I said that I locked them up to avoid theft when they were gone. He felt comfortable with that. Toughest part was to get him from concealed carrying a .40 cal SA every time he left the house. Reminded that medical facilities wouldn't allow even legally carried weapons inside. Pretty soon he would stop asking for his weapon when he was about to be taken somewhere.
Best wishes. It's not easy.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 3:40 pm to TSLG
My Father's last year: his mind remained sharp, BUT his lung cancer (which they cut him open to remove only to find it on another lobe) was not responding to radiation and he knew it and the pain.
He had taken his hand gun, new bullets in each chamber and left it cocked on his bureau drawers. I saw it there, Mother asked me about it, and I told her not to mess with the top of his chest of drawers.
I decided it was his decision to make.
He didn't.
For his last three weeks I expect he knew regret.
He had taken his hand gun, new bullets in each chamber and left it cocked on his bureau drawers. I saw it there, Mother asked me about it, and I told her not to mess with the top of his chest of drawers.
I decided it was his decision to make.
He didn't.
For his last three weeks I expect he knew regret.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 3:43 pm to LongTime Tiger
Take the ammo away.
If you take the guns they will know they are gone and it may set them off. They may call the police and truthfully if you took it without their permission it is theft. In addition, they will notice the guns are missing over and over again. However, if they have the firearms they may look for ammo but it is unlikely to set them off over and over again.
Do not replace ammo with "blanks". Blanks at short range can kill just as easily as real bullets.
Attempting to disable firearms is another recipe for disaster.
If you take the guns they will know they are gone and it may set them off. They may call the police and truthfully if you took it without their permission it is theft. In addition, they will notice the guns are missing over and over again. However, if they have the firearms they may look for ammo but it is unlikely to set them off over and over again.
Do not replace ammo with "blanks". Blanks at short range can kill just as easily as real bullets.
Attempting to disable firearms is another recipe for disaster.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 3:55 pm to TSLG
My dad has Alzheimer’s and it’s progressing rapidly. Was just thinking I need to do something about his guns.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 3:59 pm to TSLG
quote:
How difficult would it be to disable firearms without an elderly person knowing?
The only sure fire away would be to take the guns away. There are workarounds for anything else.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 4:00 pm to TSLG
I appreciate you guys.
After reading through the thread, it is clear what has to happen. Thank you, and my deepest sympathies to those of you dealing with this.
The guns are going fishing tomorrow.
After reading through the thread, it is clear what has to happen. Thank you, and my deepest sympathies to those of you dealing with this.
The guns are going fishing tomorrow.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 4:01 pm to jamiegla1
quote:
My dad has Alzheimer’s and it’s progressing rapidly. Was just thinking I need to do something about his guns.
Dealt with this with my dad. Every caregiver said the same thing: Don't take the guns, take the ammo. If you take the guns be prepared for multiple phone calls about the guns being stolen. My dad called once about the ammo being gone and that was just to tell me to buy him some the next time I was at the store because he couldn't find his. I told him I would, end of conversation on guns.
To the people that are suggesting buying blanks or replica guns: Where are you going to find these?
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