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re: Dafuq is Going on with this Aircraft Carrier?
Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:51 pm to Saint Alfonzo
Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:51 pm to Saint Alfonzo
Well I am going from a direct conversation with a dad of a GW sailor, who is at his house in great bridge right now. His biggest gripe is cell access
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Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:52 pm to choupiquesushi
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Well I am going from a direct conversation with a dad of a GW sailor, who is at his house in great bridge right now. His biggest gripe is cell access
good for him.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:54 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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It's not the ship, it's the newer, softer, more pussified generation of sailors that can't deal with having to live in a berthing onboard.
Exactly this is on the sailors not the Navy. These ppl should not be in the military.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:56 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Exactly this is on the sailors not the Navy. These ppl should not be in the military.
I can understand griping about living conditions onboard in a yard period. To kill yourself over it is a mental weakness.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:58 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:Marine's aren't sleeping in foxholes 99% of the time either.
"What you're not doing is sleeping in a foxhole like a Marine might be doing," he added.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:59 pm to pankReb
And 30, 40 and 70 years is relevant because the yards have always been misery and in shitty areas. I’m still grateful I only had one day a week at yard
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:03 pm to pankReb
Doesn't make sense. The parking situation has been a mess for years down there. Its just amplified because the 2 carriers and the JFK crew is already forming.
Back to the GW, I know Brent Gaut (new CO) is one of the most empathetic and sailor centric guys i know. He will find answers and work tirelessly to get them implemented.
Back to the GW, I know Brent Gaut (new CO) is one of the most empathetic and sailor centric guys i know. He will find answers and work tirelessly to get them implemented.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:15 pm to choupiquesushi
Yours friends son may have a different experience than others? If he is an engineer, security, reactor then good on him for being able to handle it so well. If he is aviation then his life is probably pretty good right now with little stress.
Also, I assume he is either higher rank or married. Which entitles him to a housing allowance. Good for him but that is not the ones who are having to live in that environment.
Also, I assume he is either higher rank or married. Which entitles him to a housing allowance. Good for him but that is not the ones who are having to live in that environment.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:18 pm to Boomwayne
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Yours friends son may have a different experience than others? If he is an engineer, security, reactor then good on him for being able to handle it so well. If he is aviation then his life is probably pretty good right now with little stress.
Also, I assume he is either higher rank or married. Which entitles him to a housing allowance. Good for him but that is not the ones who are having to live in that environment.
If he's at his house in Great Bridge I'm going out on a limb in saying his quality of life is vastly different than the lower than E5's we've been talking about.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:42 pm to pankReb
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Yours friends son may have a different experience than others? If he is an engineer, security, reactor then good on him for being able to handle it so well. If he is aviation then his life is probably pretty good right now with little stress.
Also, I assume he is either higher rank or married. Which entitles him to a housing allowance. Good for him but that is not the ones who are having to live in that environment.
If he's at his house in Great Bridge I'm going out on a limb in saying his quality of life is vastly different than the lower than E5's we've been talking about.
He's at his dad's house in GB.... He is an ABH2 but will process to ABH1 very soon, he is basically in charge of a group that tests air in spaces in yards....
one huge moral hit in yards.. is take me.. I was walking around checking O levels in spaces every monday at 0300 1000 and I was making 1/5 of what my yard bird counterparts did. and I was actually testing they were faking it 3/4 of the time. and the food sucked in yards. but we were housed right by Portsmouth Naval hospital and they had arguably the best food in the Navy.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:44 pm to Boomwayne
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I do believe that this current generation coming into adulthood is not as mentally strong as previous generations.
Maybe not. However, they're being called upon to operate a Cold War op tempo with less than half the ships and sailors the Navy had in the mid-80s. That means longer working hours, longer deployments, and a lot more opportunity to screw up. That places a lot of stress on a person, thus leading to increased anxiety, depression, and suicide.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:56 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:That might be true, but Master Chief sounds a little tone-deaf here.
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"What you're not doing is sleeping in a foxhole like a Marine might be doing," he added.
I thought the chief enlisted people were supposed to act as advocates, not apologists.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:59 pm to tokenBoiler
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"What you're not doing is sleeping in a foxhole like a Marine might be doing," he added.
As the Jarheads say: “The Marines are part of the Department of the Navy: the Men’s department.”
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:12 pm to RollTide1987
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Maybe not. However, they're being called upon to operate a Cold War op tempo with less than half the ships and sailors the Navy had in the mid-80s. That means longer working hours, longer deployments, and a lot more opportunity to screw up. That places a lot of stress on a person, thus leading to increased anxiety, depression, and suicide.
I don’t doubt the strain on Navy personnel. But recent Marine deployments put a hell of a lot more on the average lance corporal than sailors in dry dock are ever going to experience.
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:19 pm to RollTide1987
Oh trust me the wife, son, and I know the optempo very well.
The mental toughness comment is an anecdotal statement. Obviously certain individuals handle stress better than others. I just see more issues now than when I first joined. Maybe I was oblivious to it? I just can not comprehend killing myself as a way to deal with it. Its hard on everyone left behind.
I do know the suck it up get the job done and do more with less mentality can only be sustained for so long before someone breaks. We take a lot of pride in getting it done sometimes at the expense of our families, personal life, sanity.
Hopefully the Navy will take a deep look into this and come to some meaningful policy change or at a minimum identify some root cause.
The mental toughness comment is an anecdotal statement. Obviously certain individuals handle stress better than others. I just see more issues now than when I first joined. Maybe I was oblivious to it? I just can not comprehend killing myself as a way to deal with it. Its hard on everyone left behind.
I do know the suck it up get the job done and do more with less mentality can only be sustained for so long before someone breaks. We take a lot of pride in getting it done sometimes at the expense of our families, personal life, sanity.
Hopefully the Navy will take a deep look into this and come to some meaningful policy change or at a minimum identify some root cause.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:21 pm to RollTide1987
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That means longer working hours, longer deployments, and a lot more opportunity to screw up.
The one tour I did was right at ten months and we were on 18 hour days (also losing sleep with helicopter takeoffs / landings and underway replenishments. Sleep was hard to come by and the work was never ending.
If they have it worse, then God bless them, because that was brutal to go through.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:24 pm to Boomwayne
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Hopefully the Navy will take a deep look into this and come to some meaningful policy change or at a minimum identify some root cause.
Suicide is the dirty little secret across all the branches.
The Navy will do what the Army does, there will be an investigation and the findings will be submitted 6 or 9 months down the road after the bad pub has died down. There will be a BH stand down day, maybe everyone can wear jeans or something cool like that. Then right back to the same routines and behaviors that lead young service people to kill themselves then the cycle starts over again.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:26 pm to Lakeboy7
Your dismissive deflection aside, Cosmo isn’t wrong in that the soup Nazis in the alphabet community commit suicide at a MUCH higher rate than the general population. With increased membership from that particular community, an increase in the number of suicides seems logical.
That being said, I doubt that is the case with this scenario.
That being said, I doubt that is the case with this scenario.
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:28 pm to Lakeboy7
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Then right back to the same routines and behaviors that lead young service people to kill themselves then the cycle starts over again.
If the “routines” are “causing” you to commit suicide, then there are much deeper issues than “routines” imho.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:32 pm to jimmy the leg
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then there are much deeper issues than “routines” imho.
I agree
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