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re: D-Day was 74 years ago today. I can't think of anything more Alpha as frick than this.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:08 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:08 am to Pettifogger
Garden of Memories used to have Veterans events on Memorial Day. I used to go with the summer camp I worked at.
It was basically a series of booths, and each booth represented a war. If there were veterans for the war, they would be on hand to answer questions and tell stories.
One year, I was talking to some WWII vets. They had a photo album that was very interesting. Pictures of guys at Normandy. Pictures of France. Some from Holland. Some from Germany.
One of the vets asked me "Do you want to see some of the pictures they wouldn't allow us to display?"
Of course I did.
He shows me a picture. It's in black and white. Three seamen are leaning against the taffrail on a ship. I could see an island in the background. One of the men is holding what looked like a Japanese katana.
"That's pretty cool" I said. "But why won't they let you show this picture?"
"Look closer"
Then I saw it. Sitting on the taffrail, being held up by one of the guys, is a severed Japanese head.
He showed me some other pictures, but that severed head photo stuck with me.
It was basically a series of booths, and each booth represented a war. If there were veterans for the war, they would be on hand to answer questions and tell stories.
One year, I was talking to some WWII vets. They had a photo album that was very interesting. Pictures of guys at Normandy. Pictures of France. Some from Holland. Some from Germany.
One of the vets asked me "Do you want to see some of the pictures they wouldn't allow us to display?"
Of course I did.
He shows me a picture. It's in black and white. Three seamen are leaning against the taffrail on a ship. I could see an island in the background. One of the men is holding what looked like a Japanese katana.
"That's pretty cool" I said. "But why won't they let you show this picture?"
"Look closer"
Then I saw it. Sitting on the taffrail, being held up by one of the guys, is a severed Japanese head.
He showed me some other pictures, but that severed head photo stuck with me.
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:09 am to Darth_Vader
Can’t imagine what Eisenhower and Bradley were feeling that day. Eisenhower smoked like three packs a day throughout the war, I would bet it was up to like five that day.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:11 am to deltaland
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If you've ever played Call of Duty WW2 on Xbox one, the dday mission at the beginning is so realistic looking. They did an awesome job
Just wish the rest of the game was as well thought out
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:12 am to boxcarbarney
frick the Japanese during that time. They were a worse foe than the Germans by a long shot. Read “With the Old Breed” by Eugene Sledge, they would string up dead Marines on trees, cut their dicks off and stuff em in their mouths. I had two great uncles that served in the Pacific, they hated all slant eyes as they called em until the day they died.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:12 am to Sentrius
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 9:13 am
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:16 am to GetCocky11
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You have absolutely no idea how this generation of 18 and 19 years old would do in a world war.
Get tired of hearing this idea that men back in the day were better than today's men.
If men today were forced to make the same decisions today that those guys had to make, guess what, they would. If men back in the day didn't have to die on a beach, guess what, they wouldn't. Well over half of those guys were drafted, they didn't choose to be there.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:20 am to Sentrius
I am not sure how gung ho this generation is for serving but.... when the bullets start firing they will get in the action especially when their buddy’s start falling
We do not know them all but We owe them all
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:20 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Can’t imagine what Eisenhower and Bradley were feeling that day. Eisenhower smoked like three packs a day throughout the war, I would bet it was up to like five that day.
If you look at the bottom of the letter I posted, you’ll see Ike was so nervous he accidentally dated the letter July 5 instead of June 5 when he actually wrote it.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:22 am to Sentrius
My wife's Grandfather took part in D-Day. He passed away in the early 70's before my wife was born. I would have loved to have the honor of sitting down with him and listening to him.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:29 am to Darth_Vader
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If you look at the bottom of the letter I posted, you’ll see Ike was so nervous he accidentally dated the letter July 5 instead of June 5 when he actually wrote it.
Yeah, and that was during the airborne phase of Overlord. His nerves were most definitely frayed probably because of the airborne operations clusterfrick that was Sicily.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:31 am to CobraCommander83
I've got several vets in my family but no family stories of WWII heroics. I don't have the personal connection some do. Nonetheless, I have what can only be described as a deep sadness about that fact that few of these men remain, and that their stories will have to be replayed in books, movies and print instead of conversation.
And not just the servicemember stories, the political, occupation, life at home stories from the period. I'm just constantly in awe that something not all that long ago had such an amazing and catastrophic impact on a huge swath of the world, yet for coming generations it'll likely be relegated to grainy photos in history books. The immensity of the era - world war and rising world powers and genocide and all-time tyrants and reshaping nations - is difficult to even describe adequately.
And not just the servicemember stories, the political, occupation, life at home stories from the period. I'm just constantly in awe that something not all that long ago had such an amazing and catastrophic impact on a huge swath of the world, yet for coming generations it'll likely be relegated to grainy photos in history books. The immensity of the era - world war and rising world powers and genocide and all-time tyrants and reshaping nations - is difficult to even describe adequately.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:35 am to CobraCommander83
I remember my grandmother telling us about one of her first cousins who landed on The beaches during D-Day. Apparatly he was blown to smithereens by an almost direct hit from a mortar round. They found nothing of him. Only way they knew for sure what happened to him is one of his buddies sawcit happen. When his mother was notified of his death she had a complete breakdown. They put her in bed and she died a few days later.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:36 am to celltech1981
one of these three coins was in my Grandpa's pocket when he parachuted in to France before D-Day. The other two were in the pockets of my great uncles who were in the air force and navy. Their dad gave them each a coin when they left so that they had to come back since they owed him money.
Ok...THAT is a CSB.
Ok...THAT is a CSB.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:44 am to Pettifogger
As if you need any more stark reminder of our heroes than this thread, take some time to go to Netflix and watch the documentary about the Battle for the Chosin Reservior during the Korean War.
This was basically the turning point in the war, a result of Gen. Douglas MacArthur's foolish pride. The Chinese overran us, cut us off, and slaughtered us. Unfortunately, we do not learn about that war in school.
There is one scene in particular that will stay with me forever, of Marines unloading American dead off of a wagon for mass burial. Their bodies were frozen solid. As they dropped them off of the wagon, their bodies bounced and settled on the ground like a piece of lumber. Absolutely horrific.
Every American should have to watch that. It is partly because of the absolute arse-kicking we sustained in that war that made Harry Truman commit to building our military into the largest and most capable on earth, a legacy we thankfully live with today. It is also an eye-opening lesson to never again leave our servicemen to fend for themselves with no support or rescue from their government.
This was basically the turning point in the war, a result of Gen. Douglas MacArthur's foolish pride. The Chinese overran us, cut us off, and slaughtered us. Unfortunately, we do not learn about that war in school.
There is one scene in particular that will stay with me forever, of Marines unloading American dead off of a wagon for mass burial. Their bodies were frozen solid. As they dropped them off of the wagon, their bodies bounced and settled on the ground like a piece of lumber. Absolutely horrific.
Every American should have to watch that. It is partly because of the absolute arse-kicking we sustained in that war that made Harry Truman commit to building our military into the largest and most capable on earth, a legacy we thankfully live with today. It is also an eye-opening lesson to never again leave our servicemen to fend for themselves with no support or rescue from their government.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 9:46 am
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:47 am to LSU alum wannabe
I watched an interview with a former Spec Op guy Tyler Grey where he talks about how fascinated he is with the human body and how much it can endure. He speaks to how Special Forces guys push themselves to the brink day in and day out trying to find a spot where the body just quits. All these years and all those guys and it still hasn’t happened.
I think your guy was right. You’d have a lot that would “nut up” and get it done.
I think your guy was right. You’d have a lot that would “nut up” and get it done.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 10:07 am to Goldrush25
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they didn't choose to be there.
I get what you are saying and I am not disputing it at all. However, they did "choose" to respond to the draft notice.
There is no denying we live in a different world today than 40 years ago and 70 years ago (ect...). And it also undeniable that we are all a product, in some way shape or form, of the culture in which we are raised. So while it is inevitable to compare different generations, it really is not apples to apples.
I am grateful and humbled by the generation of WWII that rose to the challengers of their day enduring the pain, loss and horror, thereby gifting future generations with a life of choices they may not have otherwise had...
I hope and pray that generations to follow will not have to face those challenges.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 10:13 am to TH03
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What men fought in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Volunteers.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:33 am to Sentrius
over the wall in WWI. You could cower and not do it. In the landing crafts you had no control.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:39 am to klrstix
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I get what you are saying and I am not disputing it at all. However, they did "choose" to respond to the draft notice.
There is no denying we live in a different world today than 40 years ago and 70 years ago (ect...). And it also undeniable that we are all a product, in some way shape or form, of the culture in which we are raised. So while it is inevitable to compare different generations, it really is not apples to apples.
I am grateful and humbled by the generation of WWII that rose to the challengers of their day enduring the pain, loss and horror, thereby gifting future generations with a life of choices they may not have otherwise had...
I hope and pray that generations to follow will not have to face those challenges.
What most do not understand is the WWII generation mocked guys who waited until they were drafted before joining the fight.
Today, we have FOMO after missing a party...Back then FOMO was not joining the fight
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