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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 4/1/20 at 9:52 pm to tiger91
Posted on 4/1/20 at 9:52 pm to tiger91
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So you’re saying he doesn’t deserve to live???
Not what I was saying. I was saying that, even if he doesn't care about his own life, he needs to be careful and practice social distancing to protect the lives of others.
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:02 pm to GOP_Tiger
They’re pretty good at keeping to themselves and have been that way for a while even before this. I’ve encouraged curb side grocery shopping — I’m 90 minutes away but would go if I needed to; have a sibling 5 minutes from them if they need ASAP.
For the record neither he nor my mom have dnr as far as I know — she has a living will which addresses lots but when i asked if it specifies DNR status she said she wasn’t sure.
I made it super clear that they BOTH need to update all paperwork and address these things. I work in a nursing home and know the importance of having these. They’re smart educated people so I’m not sure why they don’t listen to me with this.
For the record neither he nor my mom have dnr as far as I know — she has a living will which addresses lots but when i asked if it specifies DNR status she said she wasn’t sure.
I made it super clear that they BOTH need to update all paperwork and address these things. I work in a nursing home and know the importance of having these. They’re smart educated people so I’m not sure why they don’t listen to me with this.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:21 pm to rds dc
Chicago converting convention center into hospital
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:35 pm to fightin tigers
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What did Dan Patrick say?
Tx Lt Gov, not sportscaster, said basically old people need to suck it up and take their lumps.
Dallas Morning News
Not exactly but go ahead and believe that. It was much more personal and mostly about himself and his grandkids as he is fairly close to be 70 (might be now as this was from over a week ago).
https://www.danpatrick.org/tucker-carlson-tonight-march-23-2020/
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No one reached out to me and said, 'As a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?' And if that is the exchange, I'm all in..."
"I don't pretend to be speaking for everyone 70 plus... But I think there are lots of grandparents who would agree with me that I want my grandchildren to live in the America I did..." ...I want them to have a shot at the American dream. But right now this virus which all the experts say that 98% of all people will survive... is killing are country in another way... [it] could bring about a total economic collapse and potentially a collapsed of our society... So I say let's give this a few more days or weeks...but after that let's go back to work and go back to living. Those who want to shelter in place can still do so. But we can't live with this uncertainty."
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:51 pm to dallastigers
That is a great statement.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:32 pm to Scruffy
I think it is the mentality most people will come over to in a week or so.
Especially if we find out this shite is like the flu and very little immunity is possible.
Especially if we find out this shite is like the flu and very little immunity is possible.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:36 pm to GOP_Tiger
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It's not about his life. It's about his taking up a ventilator and then there not being a ventilator for someone else who really deserves to live.
Dude
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:40 pm to Scruffy
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That is a great statement.
With an unexplainable misspelling. Must be fake.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:01 am to GOP_Tiger
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who really deserves to live.
Kind of a bum comment. Honestly it would come down to money if it was really that bad. This is why I'm glad we don't have socialized medicine for all.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:57 am to rds dc
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Chicago converting convention center into hospital
OnLy ThE ChInEsE cAn Do SoMeThInG sO ImPrEsSiVe
Posted on 4/2/20 at 7:30 am to dallastigers
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But right now this virus which all the experts say that 98% of all people will survive...
Patrick is a jackass.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 7:33 am to GOP_Tiger
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It's about his taking up a ventilator and then there not being a ventilator for someone else who really deserves to live.
Who decides who "really deserves to live"?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 7:42 am to FredBear
Ethics committees about to get a work out. We just had our meeting about what we’re gonna do when we run out of vents
Posted on 4/2/20 at 7:50 am to Tiguar
Wouldn’t it make sense to give vents to those that have no underlying conditions first( likely few and far between), then those with conditions they can’t control, and then third those with conditions brought on by an unhealthy lifestyle
Yeh it sucks balls, but I sure hope that’s how y’all would do it
Yeh it sucks balls, but I sure hope that’s how y’all would do it
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:28 am to RoleTyde
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RoleTyde
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Member Since 2017
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Someone remembered the login for their alter.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:28 am to Tiguar
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Ethics committees about to get a work out. We just had our meeting about what we’re gonna do when we run out of vents
So you’re expecting to run out?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:29 am to lsupride87
In your scenario, it may be reasonable if there is 1 vent left and 2 people arrive needing 1. What do you do when there are none left and someone arrives needing one?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:31 am to slacker00
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In your scenario, it may be reasonable if there is 1 vent left and 2 people arrive needing 1. What do you do when there are none left and someone arrives needing one?
75-year-old with no underlying conditions or 40-year-old with thyroid disease?
That isn’t black-and-white.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:32 am to slacker00
quote:Politically correct answer or my answer for what would be good practical medicine in that situation ?
In your scenario, it may be reasonable if there is 1 vent left and 2 people arrive needing 1. What do you do when there are none left and someone arrives needing one?
Correct practical answer is if the person coming in has an actual chance of making it through with a ventilator, you pull the plug on the patient currently on a vent that is the biggest lost cause
Yes it would suck balls, yes it isn’t ideal, but it isn’t a hard answer from a practical approach
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 8:35 am
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:33 am to S1C EM
quote:Whichever one the attending thinks has the best chance to make it
75-year-old with no underlying conditions or 40-year-old with thyroid disease?
That isn’t black-and-white.
There will be sometimes where the call is 50/50. But more often it would be somewhat obvious
But for clear reasons we as Americans never expected our healthcare providers to have to make these almsost wartime like decisions.
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