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Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:36 am to lsupride87
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75-year-old with no underlying conditions or 40-year-old with thyroid disease?
My immediate thought would be do everything you can do to save the 40 yr old. For several reasons.
But I'm glad I'm not tasked with that decision and never will be.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:37 am to RoleTyde
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Someone spends most of their time reading instead of posting, but has a lot more time to sit around and do nothing.
Totally believe you.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:38 am to heatom2
Yeh the decisions suck from a human standpoint
But from a decision tree standpoint, wouldn’t be that difficult to map out. The toughest decisions from that standpoint will be when you have two patients almost the same in terms of conditions and all qualifiers, and then the physician truly almost feels like they are making a personal decision. That would really blow
But from a decision tree standpoint, wouldn’t be that difficult to map out. The toughest decisions from that standpoint will be when you have two patients almost the same in terms of conditions and all qualifiers, and then the physician truly almost feels like they are making a personal decision. That would really blow
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 8:40 am
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:47 am to Scruffy
I guess you missed the sarcastericks. You are the one arguing with me about ventilators. Scruffy has been downplaying this for weeks now you want to be a tough guy?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:51 am to yatesdog38
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You are the one arguing with me about ventilators.
Wasn’t even involved in that conversation.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:55 am to Scruffy
So someone explain. Are we running out of ventilators? Because I thought Trump said we were producing a HUGE amount of ventilators, never before seen. Does this mean we’re not?
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 8:56 am
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:58 am to S1C EM
Question
When the data comes back, and it shows obesity and uncontrolled diabetes played a huge part in the severity of this, do we actually start adding a “fat tax” to people/certain things?
When the data comes back, and it shows obesity and uncontrolled diabetes played a huge part in the severity of this, do we actually start adding a “fat tax” to people/certain things?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:11 am to lsupride87
LSUPride is very much hoping fat people get taken out by this virus. 
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:19 am to lsupride87
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Question When the data comes back, and it shows obesity and uncontrolled diabetes played a huge part in the severity of this, do we actually start adding a “fat tax” to people/certain things?
It'll be interesting to compare the data region to region. Obesity/Uncontrolled Diabetes is certainly key for NOLA. Maybe smoking was the downfall for Italy/Spain/China (with an old population to begin with in Italy's case).
There really isn't a common thread that can tie NYC/NOLA/Belgium/Netherlands/UK/Italy/Spain/Cali/Washington/China all together though so there has to be a laundry list of crap that makes this worse....or our data/testing just sucks (also likely).
Italy/and (now) NYC anecdotally stating they're seeing cases younger and sicker after the initial wave of old folks.
Probably just an element of math - disease is spread much more quickly in the younger, more social, age groups so the minute percentage of younger healthier types that will need direct medical care eventually start to build in raw numbers and become noticeable once all the old people effectively start hiding?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:23 am to nerd guy
quote:Im not
LSUPride is very much hoping fat people get taken out by this virus.
It’s just data is data. It seems we only want to look at some of it and not all of it as it relates to this crisis
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:24 am to BRIllini07
quote:Obesity rate in those countries is still almost 30%
There really isn't a common thread that can tie NYC/NOLA/Belgium/Netherlands/UK/Italy/Spain/Cali/Washington/China all together though so there has to be a laundry list of crap that makes this worse....or our data/testing just sucks (also likely).
That is 3/10 people being obese. That is still a huge deal and high percentage.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:48 am to lsupride87
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Obesity rate in those countries is still almost 30% That is 3/10 people being obese. That is still a huge deal and high percentage.
In the ER Doc thread he was reporting the bulk of "young" cases as your garden variety Walmart BMI 40+ land whale. I spend a fair bit of time in Belgium/Netherlands. If I had to guess obesity there is fairly concentrated in the BMI 30-ish beer belly dad bods (to be fair - Belgian beer is damn good). I don't have the actual data though.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:52 am to BRIllini07
Any update from Commander Data?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:54 am to GeauxTigers2020
Alioski GOAT
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:58 am to BRIllini07
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garden variety Walmart BMI 40+ land whale.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:00 am to S1C EM
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So someone explain. Are we running out of ventilators? Because I thought Trump said we were producing a HUGE amount of ventilators, never before seen. Does this mean we’re not?
Love him or hate him, we all know Trump likes to talk. I have no doubt we are in the process of producing a large amount of ventilators but I imagine it will take some time to ramp that up. We'll probably have them just in time for this to all be over. At least we'll have them for next time.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:01 am to MadDogs
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Metro Public Health Department officials announced today a total number of 785 confirmed cases of coronavirus COVID-19 in Nashville/Davidson County, an increase of 112 cases in the past 24 hours. The confirmed cases range in age from one-month-old to 84-years-old. Health officials have confirmed the death of a 73-year-old man as the fifth person in Davidson County to have died after a confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19. Twenty (20) others remain hospitalized and 95 people have recovered from the virus. The remaining cases are self-isolating at home and have mild and manageable symptoms.Of the 785 confirmed cases of COVID-19, 63 individuals who have tested positive are Davidson County healthcare workers.
Total number of Cases: 785
Number of Cases confirmed today: 112
Cases by sex
Male: 373
Female: 398
Unknown: 14
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:02 am to lsupride87
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Correct practical answer is if the person coming in has an actual chance of making it through with a ventilator, you pull the plug on the patient currently on a vent that is the biggest lost cause
Yes it would suck balls, yes it isn’t ideal, but it isn’t a hard answer from a practical approach
Just curious as to what legal ramifications there would be if it came to this .. would a family be able to take legal action? Or would it be considered extreme/dire circumstances?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:05 am to BRIllini07
Yeah it’s just a by product of how contagious this thing is. Think the numbers are around 10% of cases between 20-40 years old require hospitalization, little less than 1% die.
Doesn’t sound like, and isn’t a lot, statistically. But when 100,000 people in that age group are infected, you’re talking 10,000 hospitalizations and around 1,000 deaths.
That’s a shite ton of anecdotal and yahoo blog type stories about a relatively young person with no underlying conditions dying. But it doesn’t change the underlying statistical data
Doesn’t sound like, and isn’t a lot, statistically. But when 100,000 people in that age group are infected, you’re talking 10,000 hospitalizations and around 1,000 deaths.
That’s a shite ton of anecdotal and yahoo blog type stories about a relatively young person with no underlying conditions dying. But it doesn’t change the underlying statistical data
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 10:07 am
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