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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 3/7/20 at 8:42 am to frankthetank
Posted on 3/7/20 at 8:42 am to frankthetank
We are basically only testing patients with severe symptoms. The mortality rate is drastically over stated.
Here are the criteria needed to test in Louisiana at this time.
“The testing criteria below are subject to change according to the availability of laboratory testing and updated epidemiologic information.
Testing of samples for non-hospitalized patients may be delayed according to the volume of samples and changes in testing availability.
Criteria to Guide Evaluation of Persons Under Investigation for COVID-19
Clinical Features
Fever1 or signs/symptoms of lower respiratory illness (e.g. cough or shortness of breath)
AND
Epidemiologic Risk
Close contact with a laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 patient within 14 days of symptom onset
Clinical Features
Fever1 and signs/symptoms of a lower respiratory illness (e.g., cough or shortness of breath)
AND
Epidemiologic Risk
A history of travel from affected geographic areas2 within 14 days of symptom onset
Clinical Features
Fever1 with severe acute lower respiratory illness (e.g., pneumonia, ARDS [acute respiratory distress syndrome]) requiring hospitalization and without alternative explanatory diagnosis (e.g., influenza)
AND
Epidemiologic Risk
No identified source of exposure
1Measured as = 100.4°F.
2Affected geographic areas are defined as countries assigned a level 2 or 3 travel health notice by CDC or other areas determined to have sustained community transmission
Here are the criteria needed to test in Louisiana at this time.
“The testing criteria below are subject to change according to the availability of laboratory testing and updated epidemiologic information.
Testing of samples for non-hospitalized patients may be delayed according to the volume of samples and changes in testing availability.
Criteria to Guide Evaluation of Persons Under Investigation for COVID-19
Clinical Features
Fever1 or signs/symptoms of lower respiratory illness (e.g. cough or shortness of breath)
AND
Epidemiologic Risk
Close contact with a laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 patient within 14 days of symptom onset
Clinical Features
Fever1 and signs/symptoms of a lower respiratory illness (e.g., cough or shortness of breath)
AND
Epidemiologic Risk
A history of travel from affected geographic areas2 within 14 days of symptom onset
Clinical Features
Fever1 with severe acute lower respiratory illness (e.g., pneumonia, ARDS [acute respiratory distress syndrome]) requiring hospitalization and without alternative explanatory diagnosis (e.g., influenza)
AND
Epidemiologic Risk
No identified source of exposure
1Measured as = 100.4°F.
2Affected geographic areas are defined as countries assigned a level 2 or 3 travel health notice by CDC or other areas determined to have sustained community transmission
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 9:03 am
Posted on 3/7/20 at 8:49 am to tigerskin
quote:
A former passenger of the Diamond Princess cruise ship who was infected with coronavirus has died, bringing the death toll from the ship to seven, Japanese public broadcaster NHK said on Saturday.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 8:52 am to WaWaWeeWa
Well if the virus won’t get you, China’s lack of permitting will
quote:
A hotel being used as a coronavirus quarantine centre in China has collapsed, leaving 70 people trapped. The five-storey building in Fujian province was being used to house and observe people who had come into contact with Covid-19 patients when it collapsed at around 7:30pm local time. At least 29 people have so far been rescued from the wreckage of the Xinjia Express Hotel in Quanzhou, according to the Ministry of Emergency Management.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 8:56 am to Lsut81
Can someone tell me if this is accurate?
So If I am younger than about 65, if I do get the Coronavirus, my odds of dying is very very low?
So If I am younger than about 65, if I do get the Coronavirus, my odds of dying is very very low?
Posted on 3/7/20 at 8:56 am to Lsut81
A week ago I said I thought there was a good chance we will see quarantine zones in the US. That was before it became apparent the US had, and still has, severely limited testing capability.
If we had appropriate testing capacity we could have pin pointed small areas of community spread and implemented containment measures like quarantine zones. The cat’s out of the bag now. We bypassed the containment phase and are going straight to mitigation.
If we had appropriate testing capacity we could have pin pointed small areas of community spread and implemented containment measures like quarantine zones. The cat’s out of the bag now. We bypassed the containment phase and are going straight to mitigation.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 8:57 am to PeteRose
quote:
The theme of this thread is that if someone post anything that might hint the seriousness of the situation, it’s “panic”.
Most people have little understanding of how the events that have already happened with global manufacturing and trade can affect their lives. They don't realize that our economy has been "hollowed out" by decades of moving manufacturing offshore and what that really means. The economic disruption that has already occurred outside our borders will cause problems.
I hope the ones dismissing the "panic" are right and this resolves itself quickly with few futher problems. But if it doesn't there will be fallout that goes beyond what happens in the health care system.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 9:14 am
Posted on 3/7/20 at 8:59 am to tigerskin
quote:
We are basically only testing patients with severe symptoms. The mortality rate is drastically over stated.
I made a similar point earlier only to get blasted.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:02 am to Jon Ham
quote:
If we had appropriate testing capacity we could have pin pointed small areas of community spread and implemented containment measures like quarantine zones. The cat’s out of the bag now. We bypassed the containment phase and are going straight to mitigation.
We still aren’t even screening passengers from outbreak zones. Only major thing we did was shutdown travel between here and China.
All 8 cases in Houston are tied to international trips and that’s tied to multiple in NYC
Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:07 am to Jon Ham
quote:
If we had appropriate testing capacity we could have pin pointed small areas of community spread and implemented containment measures like quarantine zones. The cat’s out of the bag now. We bypassed the containment phase and are going straight to mitigation.
IMO what China did was somewhat of a hybrid of containment and mitigation. They already had community spread. They had to quarantine to slow the spread of virus because their health system was collapsing in Wuhan.
It’s basically the only option at that point, or you accept people dying before they even get care. It will be interesting to see if Italy and SK get to that point, and what steps they take. It’s getting close IMO.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:10 am to Jon Ham
We don't need quarantine zones to begin with. The danger is vastly overstated.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:10 am to Lsut81
quote:
Go... if your are under 50 and have no pre existing conditions, even if you got it, you will be ok.
We are both right at 50. I'd say healthy.
quote:
The concern would be coming back and possibly spreading to more susceptible people.
My thinking here is--I live in Tuscaloosa, which has a certain international element to it (as does any big Uni town), and a lot of these folks, along with the local schools, will be going on spring break the same week I'm talking about.
Seems like the cat is out of the bag in terms mitigating the spread of this thing domestically. As long as there are domestic flights, shouldn't we assume this thing will have a presence in every state? I'm thinking we already do--we're just way behind on testing.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:14 am to Jon Ham
Quarantine zones wouldn’t really work in the US. Maybe in small areas but not medium or large city areas. People here won’t listen.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:15 am to RollTide1987
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We don't need quarantine zones to begin with. The danger is vastly overstated.
You may be right. But in the hypothetical situation where a particular hospital/city can’t keep up with the new cases that are coming in what would you do?
You speak in absolutes, but I haven’t really heard you offer any possible solutions
Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:17 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
You speak in absolutes, but I haven’t really heard you offer any possible solutions
How many hypotheticals do you need answered to be satisfied?
Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:17 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
But in the hypothetical situation where a particular hospital/city can’t keep up with the new cases that are coming in what would you do?
I don't deal in hypotheticals. They're the reason why people are panicking and the stock market is the way it is.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:22 am to RollTide1987
quote:
I don't deal in hypotheticals. They're the reason why people are panicking and the stock market is the way it is.
Wallstreet definitely deals in hypotheticals. That’s their job. I understand you are pissed that your 401k is suffering because you think the media is causing panic in the general population. But I’ve heard most financially literate people say that most of the movement in the market has been from large financial institutions, not the average person.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:23 am to LNCHBOX
quote:
How many hypotheticals do you need answered to be satisfied?
I asked about one very specific hypothetical
Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:28 am to WaWaWeeWa
Liz Specht
@LizSpecht
I think most people aren’t aware of the risk of systemic healthcare failure due to #COVID19 because they simply haven’t run the numbers yet. Let’s talk math. 1/n
LINK
Sorry on mobile but this twitter string is depressing. It’s obviously worst case scenario but she’s dead serious. Curious what thoughts are about her statements?
Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:32 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
I asked about one very specific hypothetical
But where will it stop? You'll just go to the next one, then the next, then the next.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:32 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:The issue that arises with overloading hospitals is a bit of a catch-22 situation. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
But in the hypothetical situation where a particular hospital/city can’t keep up with th
If our policy is to admit and quarantine all positive cases of a rapidly spreading virus, you will quickly overwhelm any medical system, but you MIGHT decrease spread, not likely though.
If you push for home quarantine and don’t admit every patient, you increase risk of spread, but you don’t overwhelm the medical system with those who don’t require admission.
IMO, we shouldn’t be admitting positive cases or quarantining them in negative pressure rooms in order to maintain hospital flow and manage the resources we have.
Only those who require medical care, like with all other viral respiratory illnesses, should be admitted to the hospital.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 9:36 am
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