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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 7/2/20 at 3:15 am to tiger91
Posted on 7/2/20 at 3:15 am to tiger91
quote:I don't think you have to worry about that. At some point we will ditch the containment strategy and just let it run its course. If that doesn't happen by this coming winter, then surely by winter '21 we will have enough data from around the country and world to measure the fallout of achieving herd immunity, and hopefully our leadership will wise up and we can go back to normal. We are just delaying the inevitable with all the limitations, and it's too costly.
I had the realization today that this shite may never end. I’m almost 51– I don’t want to live my life waiting in line at places and having to wear a mask until I die. I mean it’s ludicrous to think about.
Also I think the spike in cases is a false alarm since the deaths don't seem to be trending up yet. It's probably just the combination of increased testing along with better targeting and contact tracing, so we are catching more mild cases than before. The true number of cases could still be trending down. Also it may have already gotten the most vulnerable, so even if cases are actually rising I think we're in the clear as long as deaths don't follow suit in the next week or two.
Next thing to watch is the repeat positive rate in the fall/winter to make sure immunity sticks and it's not mutating. I think that will be the real signal to lose the masks and let it rip.
And I'm sure all this has been discussed already, I haven't been keeping up for a while.
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Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:40 am to Korkstand
Nashville is going back to Phase 2 in its reopening plan.
quote:
We have 10,756 confirmed #COVID19 cases in Davidson County as of today, an increase of 608 in the past 24 hours. Please continue to follow our #RoadmapforReopening Nashville plan and help us keep our community safe.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:51 am to Korkstand
quote:
Also I think the spike in cases is a false alarm since the deaths don't seem to be trending up yet. It's probably just the combination of increased testing along with better targeting and contact tracing, so we are catching more mild cases than before. The true number of cases could still be trending down. Also it may have already gotten the most vulnerable, so even if cases are actually rising I think we're in the clear as long as deaths don't follow suit in the next week or two.
I agree with this.
It's a lot of younger people not at-risk who are testing positive right now. Covid already killed most of the at-risk people, in my opinion, which is why we won't see another big spike in deaths.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:35 pm to tiger91
Don't worry it will magically end on 11/4/20
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:13 pm to GeauxWrek
I did a brief search via Google and did not see answer to this question on the 1st page of my search...
At what temp does Covid-19 die?
I assume (though I do not know...) that boiling water would kill the virus.
Does anyone know the exact temp??
At what temp does Covid-19 die?
I assume (though I do not know...) that boiling water would kill the virus.
Does anyone know the exact temp??
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:33 pm to klrstix
quote:
Does anyone know the exact temp
Yep. Three Fiddy
Posted on 7/2/20 at 3:02 pm to klrstix
quote:
what temp does Covid-19 die?
I assume (though I do not know...) that boiling water would kill the virus.
Does anyone know the exact temp??
The precise temperature has been debated (especially since time of exposure begins to play larger role) but most I've read seem to agree on at least 135F.
Boiling water certainly and hot dishwashers/dryers are usually well above that threshold.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 7:06 pm to Korkstand
quote:
by winter '21
this country will be in absolute shambles.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 7:20 pm to Dandy Lion
A hydroxychloriquine study that shows positive outcomes.
It’s another retroactive, observational study. Take from it what you will.
It’s another retroactive, observational study. Take from it what you will.
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Hydroxychloroquine provided a 66% hazard ratio reduction, and hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin 71% compared to neither treatment (p < 0.001).
Conclusions and Relevance
In this multi-hospital assessment, when controlling for COVID-19 risk factors, treatment with hydroxychloroquine alone and in combination with azithromycin was associated with reduction in COVID-19 associated mortality. Prospective trials are needed to examine this impact.
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:29 pm to Sasquatch Smash
quote:
Hydroxychloroquine provided a 66% hazard ratio reduction,
Will the pandemic be over before we get a straight answer on this? Is anyone able to put politics aside and see whether this treatment may help?
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 7/3/20 at 9:26 am to Sasquatch Smash
Has anyone heard much on vitamin D levels and the possibility of it’s beneifts? Only bring this up because the wife and I were talking, no pics, last night about it. Based on morbidity rates seems like it could play a role in the safeguarding us.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 7/3/20 at 9:46 am to immobileman
I’m supplementing Vitamin D.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 11:29 am to klrstix
quote:I read awhile back that for an instant kill it was 151F.
Does anyone know the exact temp??
People need to understand that that doesnt mean the virus lives for infinity at 149F. As an example, making up numbers, say flu lives for 3 hours on a surface at 50F. At 80F flu dies at probably more like 20 minutes or less.
So even if a dishwasher temps are only 130F it will easily kill COVID in practically no time.
This post was edited on 7/3/20 at 11:30 am
Posted on 7/3/20 at 11:45 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
quote:
People need to understand that that doesnt mean the virus lives for infinity at 149F
I get what you are saying. As a poster indicated previously, in most cases killing it at a certain temp is as much a function of time as it is temp.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 11:54 am to SloaneRanger
quote:
Will the pandemic be over before we get a straight answer on this? Is anyone able to put politics aside and see whether this treatment may help?
I think the answer is actually in all the pre-print studies taken together.
It may help a little bit if given at an extremely specific point of the infection but not enough that multiple studies even consistently reveal that, especially since the early point of treatment means it's near impossible to know whether patients would have just fought off severe effects without it.
I think that makes the common sense answer to move on to something else.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 2:22 pm to immobileman
Posted on 7/3/20 at 4:21 pm to Whiznot
Vitamin D has long been theorized to explain the seasonal nature of colds/flu.
The studies are tricky because of confounding variables. Who is likely to have less vitamin D? Sickly old people stuck inside.
Did they die because of the low vitamin D or did they die because they are a sickly old person?
The other problem is that it has been demonstrated that people who are really really sick experience an acute drop in vitamin D. So if you check their vitamin D in the ICU it may be much lower than it usually is.
We need better studies. We need studies that have a record of recent vitamin D level before catching covid.
That being said, I take vitamin D every day. Can’t hurt if you stay within the recommended dosage.
The studies are tricky because of confounding variables. Who is likely to have less vitamin D? Sickly old people stuck inside.
Did they die because of the low vitamin D or did they die because they are a sickly old person?
The other problem is that it has been demonstrated that people who are really really sick experience an acute drop in vitamin D. So if you check their vitamin D in the ICU it may be much lower than it usually is.
We need better studies. We need studies that have a record of recent vitamin D level before catching covid.
That being said, I take vitamin D every day. Can’t hurt if you stay within the recommended dosage.
This post was edited on 7/3/20 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 7/3/20 at 4:42 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Not sure if the Oschner study has been linked
nola.com via outline.com so no paywall
direct link to study summary
nola.com via outline.com so no paywall
quote:
5 things we learned from Ochsner's coronavirus study in Orleans and Jefferson Parish
1. Nearly 8% of the population is estimated to have been infected with the virus in May
2. Coronavirus is deadlier than the flu
3. Nearly half of the positive cases were asymptomatic
4. Antibody tests are about 95% accurate
5. There's a higher rate of infection in Black patients
direct link to study summary
This post was edited on 7/3/20 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 7/3/20 at 7:19 pm to fightin tigers
Something is way off with that study. They are estimating a 1.6% infection fatality rate.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 7:21 pm to WaWaWeeWa
What do you think it is closer to?
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