re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

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Early on, people were going on ventilators too early.

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What is the source of that table? Thanks.

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ICNARC Reports: LINK

A lot of good information in those reports. Information is from the UK, but relevant here.

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Thanks.

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Will people ever be able to bring themselves to admit that Sweden got it right? Will be interesting to see how it plays out, but they may be done with this.

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That will only be answered, and partially at best, when Sweden shows to be "done" and Denmark, Norway et al have major second waves that Sweden avoids.

Otherwise:

1. Sweden's 5300 total deaths compared to Denmark's 500 or Norway's 250 may not seem like that many but that it's 10-20x greater hardly makes a sound argument for the US with 130,000 deaths even with shutdown measures (albeit very disorganized and haphazard ones, but that's another subject).


2. The issue that often gets effaced in talking about the shutdowns/extreme social distancing: delaying infections from March/April even to July/August would allow time for better treatment methods to take shape.
So, a person with a severe case in late July would stand a much better chance than the same person with a severe case in early April. This seems to be holding true. Just look at the stats Ronaldo Burgundiaz posted on the previous page.



3. Studies have not really shown that Sweden's economy fared much better than elsewhere in Scandinavia and Northern Europe. I certainly agree that it was much better from a "psychology" of the populace standpoint but, again, economic stress of the epidemic during those months seems to have been largely unavoidable.



4. Sweden is better compared to like Minnesota + North Dakota than the US as a whole -- just a few larger cities with lots of low destiny population areas. So, we are not really even considering the type dynamic where Covid has had a particularly drastic effect anywhere.


5. Furthermore, Sweden has many traits that make it very hard to compare to anywhere in the US, most significantly Universal Paid Worker Sick Leave (meaning no loss of income from deciding to self-quarantine), a population that's much more compliant with government "suggestions" ect


I just really can't see how it's so obvious that Sweden's approach would have worked everywhere, especially when one of the issues of the US's disorganized approach was that it seemed far too prone to "all or nothing" and "one size fits all" answers.

South Korea, New Zealand, taiwan, among others, laugh at your facile position

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LOL at anyone who thinks this virus can be controlled or contained.

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It can be controlled, but you have to start really early and be hyper-vigilant. Once the cat is out of the bag there is no controlling it.

New Zealand will have to be on a lockdown until the rest of the world powers through this. Question for New Zealand is, is it worth obliterating the economy?

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1. Sweden's 5300 total deaths compared to Denmark's 500 or Norway's 250 may not seem like that many but that it's 10-20x greater hardly makes a sound argument for the US with 130,000 deaths even with shutdown measures (albeit very disorganized and haphazard ones, but that's another subject).

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Can't really be compared with the way the countries count deaths. Sweden CoviD death is anyone that dies for any reason within 30 days of testing positive.

Norway, I believe, has only been counting deaths in the hospital and not in nursing homes.

That's only what I've read, never really researched it.

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Studies have not really shown that Sweden's economy fared much better than elsewhere in Scandinavia and Northern Europe. I certainly agree that it was much better from a "psychology" of the populace standpoint but, again, economic stress of the epidemic during those months seems to have been largely unavoidable.

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Saw that on Twitter a while back, if accurate, I'd say that's performing much better than elsewhere in Europe and around the world.

Talking about the US, Chief. We're not an island nation with the ability to easy restrict immigration. The ability to control this in the US was lost in December before anyone even knew it was here.

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

Sweden's excess deaths took a large leap in comparison to Denmark, Norway during the period in question.

Research how Rwanda in central Africa is doing with COVID.

It is more about discipline, organization and structure than geographic location. We have been found wanting in these areas

I had the realization today that this shite may never end. I’m almost 51– I don’t want to live my life waiting in line at places and having to wear a mask until I die. I mean it’s ludicrous to think about.