re: Clancy trial verdict predictions

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The trial is an indictment on modern medicine. Add race to this, and you get a media narrative that is craved/invented. There is not enough supply of that narrative to meet the media demand.

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I think that it’s more of an indictment of healthcare bureaucracy.
Also, neither she nor husband wanted to accept a diagnosis of bipolar disorder. They wanted to will something away, that couldn’t be.

Not guilty or hung jury.

I don’t agree, but that’s my prediction.

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I think that it’s more of an indictment of healthcare bureaucracy.
Also, neither she nor husband wanted to accept a diagnosis of bipolar disorder. They wanted to will something away, that couldn’t be.

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I am not an expert on the case. I know what I've been told and that's about it.

But the theme of the defense is that she wanted help. 2 hospitalizations in the last year. 2 calls to suicide hotlines in the last year. Following doctors prescription orders despite saying that they aren't helping.

My takeaway is that more people need to be in an insane asylum. In 1950, there were about 577,000 people in an insane asylum. Population 151,000,000.
2025, there are about 35,000. Population 341,000,000. And we are pumping unpredictable medicines into more kids than ever.

The system is broken. One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest singlehandedly fricked this country over.

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I absolutely think there is significant white woman privilege at play here. If she was black, Asian, Hispanic... basically any demographic other than white, female, and middle/upper middle class, she wouldn't have a fraction of the supporters or excuses being made for he

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Wrong. She would have FAR more support.

I don't understand how the prosecution, in their closing arguemnt, said something along the lines of "no one is saying that she didn't have a mental illness." But isn't that exactly what they were trying to argue during the entire trial? They were beyond inconsistent.

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don't understand how the prosecution, in their closing arguemnt, said something along the lines of "no one is saying that she didn't have a mental illness." But isn't that exactly what they were trying to argue during the entire trial? They were beyond inconsistent.

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Yep. Just awful.

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I agree that it was not a case of postpartum or psychosis. She was never diagnosed with either.

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She was diagnosed with postpartum.
Her diagnosis there was not unique.

She was not diagnosed with psychosis. She never told the medical institutions about voices. I dont think she told the institutions about harming her kids (both of which has been shared with her mom and her husband).

Peyton Manning was a loser. He couldn't win the big game.
Until he did.
The same for Bobby Bowden.
There is a narrative. A truth even. And all of a sudden, the whole narrative flips on a dime.

After the fact, things seem so obvious. Before the fact, both the patients and medical institutions are walking around blind hoping to find something/anything that improves the situation. Psychosis was not a concern of the medical community nor the family until it was too late. Things were going downhill. But even that wasnt obvious. The day of the murders (and day before) were considered "good days" by everyone but Clancy.

Psychotic brakes are like that. We had a suicide in my subdivision. The husband saw things going the wrong direction. And very quickly at the end. At what point does one say, I can't leave this person alone. Because that minute is when the white jackets are needed. Not a moment later.

With the makeup of the jury and the case being held in Massachusetts, I am thinking Manslaughter. Jurors could opt for a middle ground if they believe she suffered from severe mental illness that impaired her judgment, but not enough to completely absolve her of legal responsibility.

The core defense argument not guilty by reason of lack of criminal responsibility asserts that severe postpartum psychosis rendered her unable to understand the wrongfulness of her actions. If accepted, Clancy would be ordered to a psychiatric facility rather than prison. With the makeup of this jury, a mistrial/hung jury could happen, and juries are incredibly hard to read.
She deserves life without, IMO.

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The core defense argument not guilty by reason of lack of criminal responsibility asserts that severe postpartum psychosis rendered her unable to understand the wrongfulness of her actions. If accepted, Clancy would be ordered to a psychiatric facility rather than prison. With the makeup of this jury, a mistrial/hung jury could happen, and juries are incredibly hard to read.
She deserves life without, IMO.

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Legally, I don't see how they can go for NGRI on murder and then gloss over that and convict for manslaughter. She's either NGRI or she's not IMO.

I agree she needs to be confined for life. She is a danger to society if she is truly psychotic even with meds. She could easily stop taking them once released.

I think it's likely she kills herself given the chance. She's on the stictest suicide watch possible right now. That won't go on forever.

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Legally, I don't see how they can go for NGRI on murder and then gloss over that and convict for manslaughter. She's either NGRI or she's not IMO.

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I was surprised that the judge allowed that.

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agree she needs to be confined for life. She is a danger to society if she is truly psychotic even with meds. She could easily stop taking them once released

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I heard a corrections officer say that the prison hospital is preferable to a state mental hospital. Which doesn’t say much for state mental institutions.

And I agree, she’s going to try and kill herself if given the chance.