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re: Church membership among US adults falls below 50% for the first time ever
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:03 pm to dawgfan24348
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:03 pm to dawgfan24348
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Before western society advanced past the idea that a country was supposed to serve a God there was countless deaths in the name of Christianity.
More countless than the secular wars of the 20th century?
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Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:04 pm to LSU Coyote
Without God, and the faith that follows, who then gets to determine what is good and moral?
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:05 pm to dawgfan24348
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Because there are no more Christian theocracies. Before western society advanced past the idea that a country was supposed to serve a God there was countless deaths in the name of Christianity.
Western societies now just kill each other for secular reasons. At least they did until they got so good at it that it was no longer practical.
Humans will always be killing each other for something. Religion is just one of those things. Historically it’s been an excuse to cover up the real reason more often than not.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:05 pm to dawgfan24348
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Before western society advanced past the idea that a country was supposed to serve a God there was countless deaths in the name of Christianity.
Countless compared to what? Secular wars have killed far more people than the crusades could have ever dreamed of. The most deadly war in history (ww2) was a completely secular affair with a scientific approach by the Nazis that they were genetically superior including a massive scientific advancement of nuclear weaponry that killed 226,000 people for SECULAR reasons.
There's no reason to feel bad about murder in secularism. Just a clump of cells merging with another clump of cells (the earth).
This post was edited on 3/29/21 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:05 pm to dawgfan24348
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60 years ago far more people attended church but at the same time you had people not able to vote due to their race.
My original point in this thread was that the church was full of non believers back then because going to church was the popular thing to do.
The church my be stronger now without people that don’t actually believe. Time will tell.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:09 pm to amsterdam
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Without God, and the faith that follows, who then gets to determine what is good and moral?
Man. Which is where we are and why the decline of civilization is swift and real. Also predicted in Scripture.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:09 pm to HempHead
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More countless than the secular wars of the 20th century?
Of course not but wars were fought with less people far less efficient weapons. People will always look for an excuse to kill others but there's a reason why the middle east is so fricked up while other countries aren't. And yes part of it was the post WWI division of the Ottoman Empire
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:11 pm to tiggerthetooth
Why are science and God mutually exclusive? Anyone who has seriously studied the Big Bang singularity can easily arrive at the conclusion that a cause was behind the origins of the Universe....
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:12 pm to dawgfan24348
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People will always look for an excuse to kill others but there's a reason why the middle east is so fricked up while other countries aren't.
And there you said it. You keep confusing the evil of man, which Christianity acknowledges profusely, with the example of living set in the scriptures.
If someone wants to be evil, they will use ANY means. Religion has, and will continue to be used, by evil people, as will secularism. I can say "evil" as it is written about in a biblical context. There's no such thing as evil in a secular context. It's just "cultural differences".
This post was edited on 3/29/21 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:13 pm to dawgfan24348
I'll grant you this - the Thirty Years War was probably one of the most devastating of all wars in terms of population eliminated, and it was religious in nature (well, political, too - but those were part and parcel at that time).
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:19 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:Beautifully stated. It's almost as if taking a look around at secular society will lead one to God.
Religion has, and will continue to be used, by evil people, as will secularism. I can say "evil" as it is written about in a biblical context. There's no such thing as evil in a secular context. It's just "cultural differences".
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:20 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Countless compared to what? Secular wars have killed far more people than the crusades could have ever dreamed of.
We got a lot better at killing people. Go back to the 1080s and hand the Muslims and Christians plans for modern war machines and the ability to manufacture and use them then go back to 1500 and count the dead.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:20 pm to HempHead
quote:An embarrassment for the church to be sure, but whether Christian or not, sinning doesn't stop.
I'll grant you this - the Thirty Years War was probably one of the most devastating of all wars in terms of population eliminated, and it was religious in nature (well, political, too - but those were part and parcel at that time).
And yes, you had countries in that war for pure political gain (France).
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:21 pm to EmperorGout
I would consider myself a christian but I never liked church as a kid and I was raised sourthern baptist in the 80s-90s. My parents forced me to go with them until I got to be 18. And they haven't been to church in probably 20 years. My mom even sang in the choir. I didn't disapprove of the message the preacher was sending, I just didn't like getting dressed up on Sundays and sitting still for an hour. There weren't any hot girls or women there either and we probably had 150 in the pews.
In 1991 I did hold the world record for most Awana sections passed on a Wednesday night at 15 sections. Most of that I memorized and wanted to prove I was better than a kid a couple years older than me that went on to be a doctor. He'd passed 13 sections a few weeks earlier
In 1991 I did hold the world record for most Awana sections passed on a Wednesday night at 15 sections. Most of that I memorized and wanted to prove I was better than a kid a couple years older than me that went on to be a doctor. He'd passed 13 sections a few weeks earlier
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:24 pm to HempHead
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I'll grant you this - the Thirty Years War was probably one of the most devastating of all wars in terms of population eliminated, and it was religious in nature (well, political, too - but those were part and parcel at that time).
Christianity got off course pretty early on. Read about the Desert Fathers, they didn't believe in any type of war or killings for any reasons. Eastern Orthodox revere them. They were trying to keep the original form of Christianity.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:25 pm to carguymatt
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In 1991 I did hold the world record for most Awana sections passed on a Wednesday night at 15 sections.
Is this the new GA’s/RA’s?
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:26 pm to HempHead
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I'll grant you this - the Thirty Years War was probably one of the most devastating of all wars in terms of population eliminated, and it was religious in nature
Also started with a badass event called the Defenestration of Prague
Plus it was in one of my favourite eras of early modern warfare, pike and shot. You had dragoons, musketeers, culrassiers, war wagons, landsknechts, etc.
The demise of the knight and the rise of an entirely new sort of army
This post was edited on 3/29/21 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:26 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:You need a 2000 year old book to teach your child to be a good person?
How does science teach you how to treat other people? And how can you teach that to kids?
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:29 pm to Solo Cam
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You need a 2000 year old book to teach your child to be a good person?
Even if you take it just as a historical document, the morals of the Bible line up more with my personal beliefs and values, as opposed to society’s values today. Would you rather your kids be taught right vs wrong by today’s narrative?
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:30 pm to Solo Cam
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You need a 2000 year old book to teach your child to be a good person?
Well it's older than that, but yes, besides it's many books in one. Not necessarily that you can't be a good person without it, but if you are a Christian, yes, you should follow specifically the NT. I don't believe knowing the Bible makes anyone a great Christian or person though. That should be through your actions, prayer, and learning through repentance.
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