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re: Church membership among US adults falls below 50% for the first time ever
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:31 pm to carguymatt
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:31 pm to carguymatt
quote:Congrats?
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Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:32 pm to Solo Cam
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You need a 2000 year old book to teach your child to be a good person?
Define "good person" without using any definition/description from any Abrahamic religion. What is "good" anyways without a religious context? Give me a secular version for "good". It's hard to see how a secular/materialist individual even mentions anything other than the physical. You either physically exist or you don't in secularism, and there's no reason why you exist you just do. It wouldn't be bad if you didn't exist because there really isn't a "bad", it's just either physically inconvenient (brain chemicals, pain receptors firing) or physically pleasing (i.e. brain chemicals, pleasing physical sensations via sensory organs).
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Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:32 pm to Solo Cam
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You need a 2000 year old book to teach your child to be a good person?
There must always be a "why". Given cultural proclivities, it is easiest and most comfortable for many people to use their religious background, whatever that may be.
It's also a hell of a lot easier to enforce a universal morality than a relative one. Once you deny a moral fabric to the universe, it becomes very easy to justify anything.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:32 pm to bayoubengals88
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My original point in this thread was that the church was full of non believers back then because going to church was the popular thing to do.
The church my be stronger now without people that don’t actually believe. Time will tell.
Maybe there was something to the shared cultural exposure regardless. What is it now?
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:33 pm to windshieldman
quote:Yeah, kind of like when politics and religion got deeply intertwined...much like the United States until like 2008
Christianity got off course pretty early on.
Many would argue the church was much stronger prior to Constantine's approval of Christianity...much like it could be stronger now, amid disapproval from society.
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Read about the Desert Fathers,
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:35 pm to EmperorGout
I actually joined a new parish this past weekend 
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:36 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:It's possible.
Maybe there was something to the shared cultural exposure regardless.
quote:Forgive me, but what is the "it" you are referring to?
What is it now?
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:39 pm to bayoubengals88
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quote:
What is it now?
Forgive me, but what is the "it" you are referring to?
A cultural exposure generally shared by most people now.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:40 pm to bayoubengals88
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Many would argue the church was much stronger prior to Constantine's approval of Christianity
Makes sense, definitely more in its original form prior to Constantine's approval.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:54 pm to Ric Flair
idk what you mean by GA and RA but I haven't kept up with Awana since I was probably 13.
I remember it started with game time for probably an hour, then learning sections from this note pad thing that was like a note book with the metal sprial that held all the pages together, where you memorized and recieted bible versus, then a church type sermon at the end of the night for kids where the leaders would tell how many sections the top people had passed that night and have a bible story
I remember it started with game time for probably an hour, then learning sections from this note pad thing that was like a note book with the metal sprial that held all the pages together, where you memorized and recieted bible versus, then a church type sermon at the end of the night for kids where the leaders would tell how many sections the top people had passed that night and have a bible story
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:55 pm to EmperorGout
You don’t need a church to have a relationship with god. If that’s your thing anyway.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:56 pm to Solo Cam
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You need a 2000 year old book to teach your child to be a good person?
Yes! Absolutely!
“If there is no God, everything is permitted.” -Dostoyevsky.
Think about that. People can twist the most heinous acts as somehow being good and what moral authority does anyone else have to say it’s wrong if there is no supreme moral authority (God).
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:57 pm to sleepytime
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Think about that. People can twist the most heinous acts as somehow being good and what moral authority does anyone else have to say it’s wrong if there is no supreme moral authority (God).
It's all a matter of cultural acceptance. Also, what would stop powerful people from doing what they want if they could get away with it?
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:59 pm to EmperorGout
How do they come up with this exactly?
I have never “signed up” for a church. I attend church but haven’t paid a fee to go there or signed up a membership form
I have never “signed up” for a church. I attend church but haven’t paid a fee to go there or signed up a membership form
Posted on 3/29/21 at 9:00 pm to DaleGribblesMower
Constant stories of priests diddling little kids
Super church Zsars living in rediculous mansion
And organization like SBC and United Methodist losing integrity and straying from the gospel for the sake of inclusion.
All that and we are blessed to live in a time when people don’t believe they need their faith.
Super church Zsars living in rediculous mansion
And organization like SBC and United Methodist losing integrity and straying from the gospel for the sake of inclusion.
All that and we are blessed to live in a time when people don’t believe they need their faith.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 9:16 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Your guess is as good as mine.
A cultural exposure generally shared by most people now.
It seems to me that political division is our unifier.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 9:18 pm to DaleGribblesMower
quote:Ephesians 2-3, Romans 12. Yeah, you pretty much do. If you love Christ, you will love his Church.
You don’t need a church to have a relationship with god. If that’s your thing anyway.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 9:48 pm to tiggerthetooth
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It's all a matter of cultural acceptance. Also, what would stop powerful people from doing what they want if they could get away with it?
It was culturally acceptable for Romans to sodomize young boys...does that make it okay? Of course not. History is replete with examples of powerful people that lost/ never had God’s morality and did whatever they wanted. A better question to ask is what happened to the powerful people that turned their back on God and did what they wanted?
Posted on 3/29/21 at 9:52 pm to LSU Coyote
quote:It’s always puzzled me how someone can fk you on a business deal on Tuesday and will back slap and glad hand you on Sunday. I do shite the right way, it seems most do not.
This is not a bad or good thing, but ppl don't need faith to be moral and good.
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