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re: Chiropractors Are Bull****

Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:01 pm to
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
17077 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:01 pm to
some chiropractors see patients about to go under the knife and are able to prevent it. It's give and take.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:01 pm to
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This is exactly the problem. They don't solve/cure anything. If in my practice I told a patient they just needed to come back and see me weekly/monthly for a tune up they'd tell me to go frick myself and find a different doctor


This is exactly what tradition "doctors"(GP) do too, in conjunction with the pharma industry. You think they want to "fix" your problems? There is much more money in treating the symptoms than there is in performing a cure(surgeons).

The return customer that you slow bleed is worth much more over their lifetime than the one customer you hit big with, that ONE time.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:09 pm to
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physical therapists see patients about to go under the knife and are able to prevent it.


FIFY
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
17020 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:10 pm to
Call it legalize insurance fraud.

All they do is milk insurance companies.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:11 pm to
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They do not. Most have either a bachelors or a masters.


To sit for the national board exam, you need a DPT. And have for the last 9 or 10 years.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
17077 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:23 pm to
they do too, but this thread isn't calling them all out at quacks. Stay on topic.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70139 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:34 pm to
Wrong

As stated earlier, the field of pt is changing. All current or programs are doctoral. Now that doesn't mean the pt's from 20 plus years ago have to go back to school. However there are several pt's who don't have their dpt but a ph.d in sciences such as physiology or rehab sciences for instance or even engineering

The occupational therapy field is also heading in this direction.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 3:38 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80853 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:39 pm to
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I make it a point to ask directly the root cause may be of whatever ailment I may be suffering from, and have never received any worthwhile response, or even an attempt at a dialogue about lifestyle or preventive measures I am taking. The impression I get is that I am somehow bothering them with my inquiries, and they are perturbed that I would even question their immense knowledge on all things health.

Why would they not answer a politely worded question? Mine always do. They've never told you you had a virus, or bacterial infection, or gallbladder disease or AIDS?
Posted by tigahbruh
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2014
2864 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:42 pm to
Mine got me from constant lower back pain/constant leg tingling to occasional minor irritation every so often. Started going twice a week for about two months, and began scaling down to once a week, and then eventually to once every few months. he also taught me several stretches to do regularly that help manage it.
Can only speak for my guy, but he is the opposite of bull****. Owe him big.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70139 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:46 pm to
I saw dr. Dave Corbin.
He once treated several Olympic athletes that came to Baton Rouge for Olympic trials many years ago

He was excellent
Posted by lgtiger
LA
Member since May 2005
1541 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 4:02 pm to
If Quakopractic medicine were legit, why is it not taught at any legit state university. Go see a PT for legit therapy.
Posted by 12
Redneck part of Florida
Member since Nov 2010
19848 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 4:27 pm to
The Salutatorian of my high school class had a stroke during a chiropractor's visit. She was 30 and did fitness competitions. She is paralyzed and trying to learn to walk again.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 4:34 pm to
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WTF is dry needling?


Western medicine's form of acupuncture. It is typically performed by PTs or pain management physicians trained in the procedure and is usually covered by most insurance.

"Dry needling, also known as myofascial trigger point dry needling, is the use of either solid filiform needles (also referred to as acupuncture needles) or hollow-core hypodermic needles for therapy of muscle pain, including pain related to myofascial pain syndrome. Dry needling is sometimes also known as intramuscular stimulation (IMS)."
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2014
7581 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 4:51 pm to
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
10380 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 5:02 pm to
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Why would they not answer a politely worded question? Mine always do. They've never told you you had a virus, or bacterial infection, or gallbladder disease or AIDS?


I think people who go to the doctor want answers. They want to know what has happened or is happening to their body that has resulted in chronic ailments.

Conventional doctors are too quick to shrug their shoulders, dismiss the patient's concerns, and prescribe some pill that masks the most bothersome symptom while the underlying issue goes unresolved.

"lifestyle adjustments" are honestly not all that healthy. No one likes to be told the answer to not having diarrhea every time they eat pizza is to stop eating pizza. I understand it's not so obvious to some people, but common sense dictates you're less likely to have a problem if you avoid what causes the problem. That still doesn't address why you have the problem in the first place nor does it really improve their well being which is why you go to the doctor in the first place.

Let me give you an example. In January of 2016, I had a lot of vague GI-related issues. I saw a specialist who did an upper and lower scope. After the lower scope, the doctor said he wanted me to have an ultra sound and HIDA scan to check gallbladder.

Long story short, I received a callback from a nurse stating that I had a 13% ejection fraction. "what does that mean?" I asked. The nurse replied, "well, it just means you need to have your gallbladder removed. Instant relief. Do you have a surgeon?" Beyond the fact that the latter part of that sentence is patently false, I didn't even receive any guidance from my doctor beyond having to call and ask to speak to him where he basically said, "Yeah, you can get it removed if you want to. I would probably suggest having it removed. It has to be causing you some issues."

No explanation for "why" my gallbladder failed. I didn't have stones. Just that the organ had failed and needed to come out. Well, nearly two years after removal, the surgery has negatively infected my health in a lot of ways from bloating to acid reflux to nausea to dizziness and motion sickness.

I went to another GI to explain my symptoms and was told that I needed to "get to the point." He did not believe my dizziness was in any way related to my surgery and zeroed in on the acid reflux. I spent 3,000 to confirm I had reflux even though I had normal LES pressure.

Why do I have nausea after gallbladder removal? Why do I fail to properly digest fatty foods? Why do I have reflux with a normal LES? Why is my reflux worse on an empty stomach?

Whoops, don't know. Why don't you try taking a zantac at night before bed in addition to your PPI?

wtf, I didn't pay $3,000 to be advised to take an OTC medication in addition to the prescription I'm already taking.

Chiropractors and naturopathic doctors may all be BS artists, but at least they are trying to provide answers to these questions and more.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 5:02 pm
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
7414 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 5:04 pm to
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Why wouldn’t someone go to a clinic such as this instead of trying only one discipline at a time?


Because the same effect can be gained like this, faster

Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 5:11 pm to
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Somehow you know why I'm going to see a doctor?? I'm speaking from my own (limited) experiences with physicians. I make it a point to ask directly the root cause may be of whatever ailment I may be suffering from, and have never received any worthwhile response, or even an attempt at a dialogue about lifestyle or preventive measures I am taking. The impression I get is that I am somehow bothering them with my inquiries, and they are perturbed that I would even question their immense knowledge on all things health.


I was talking about people in general want something when they go to the doctor. Most people, maybe you are different, aren't ok with a pat on the back for their viral cold.

In your case you would have to be more specific about what dialouge you are trying to have with the doctor. Are you asking them about specific diets? Or if you should be taking 300mh of Egyptian red clam powder for your erectile dysfunction?

What are they failing to discuss with you?
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 5:33 pm to
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"lifestyle adjustments" are honestly not all that healthy. No one likes to be told the answer to not having diarrhea every time they eat pizza is to stop eating pizza. I understand it's not so obvious to some people, but common sense dictates you're less likely to have a problem if you avoid what causes the problem. That still doesn't address why you have the problem in the first place nor does it really improve their well being which is why you go to the doctor in the first place


This right here is the problem. No one wants to be told they can't do something they want to do. They expect the doctor to fix it and allow them to keep doing what they are doing.

quote:

I had a lot of vague GI-related issues


quote:

wtf, I didn't pay $3,000 to be advised to take an OTC medication in addition to the prescription I'm already taking.


Haha you are proving my point exactly. There were 2 outcomes in this scenario...

1. Dr. doesn't think your complaints are consistent with any common diagnosis but runs as many tests as he can looking for a rare diagnosis... You get pissed because you spent $3,000 for him to tell you that nothing is seriously wrong

2. Dr. doesn't think your complaints are consistent with any common diagnosis and tells you to take a Zantac and avoid greasy foods like pizza... You get pissed because you want to eat your pizza and no one is telling you what is wrong. And if later you did have some rare diagnosis you would probably come back and sue him.

Lose lose situation for the Dr. because your expectations are unreasonable



Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
38337 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 5:51 pm to
Damn. Not sure how I missed that. Better late than never
Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
40387 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 5:54 pm to
Chiropractors are certainly quacky but I go to one and I am telling you that when I leave his office, I feel as if I have grown two or three inches by the time I leave.

Try that with an orthopedic doctor.

I get immediate relief that lasts longer than any over prescribed pain medication.

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