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re: Chiropractors Are Bull****

Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:12 pm to
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:12 pm to
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Try that with an orthopedic doctor.


Ever had a compound femur fracture and can't walk only to have it repaired by an orthopedic surgeon and be able to walk again?

Try that with a chiro

Yall are throwing out alot of generalizations that don't really prove anything. It's just an over reaction to single anecdotal stories on each side of the argument.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:12 pm to
Sounds like you have Graves’ disease. Try a Keto diet.
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:23 pm to
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This right here is the problem. No one wants to be told they can't do something they want to do. They expect the doctor to fix it and allow them to keep doing what they are doing.


If you have diabetes, maybe you have dietary restrictions. Following the dietary restrictions may make you feel more or less normal but it doesn't cure you of the disease.

I don't have to spend hundreds of dollars going to a doctor for him to tell me to stop eating donuts. I already know that, and if I didn't, I would know after 5 minutes on google.

People want to know why their buddies can eat a dozen donuts and not get sick but yet why they do.

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1. Dr. doesn't think your complaints are consistent with any common diagnosis but runs as many tests as he can looking for a rare diagnosis... You get pissed because you spent $3,000 for him to tell you that nothing is seriously wrong


He was confirming an acid reflux diagnosis. I don't fault him for the tests even though we both knew I had reflux. I was actually hoping an endoscopy would reveal a stomach ulcer or something that would explain a lot of my symptoms.

I'm not a lowest common denominator moron. I've spent hours researching digestive health, and listening to this doctor parrot something I could pull up on webmd in 5 seconds isn't worth my time or money. I would put good money down on my knowing far more about reflux and post-cholecystectomy because I live it every day. I don't just get by with a paragraph I read in a book in medical school.

Examples. depending on the study, anywhere from 5 to 40 percent of patients develop complications after gallbladder surgery. Don't tell me it's a very small percentage when the people in your profession can't even agree on a reasonable number.

Secondly, barretts esophagus (which I don't have) is not caused by "years and years of bad, bad reflux." Children can have barretts or people can be diagnosed with barretts and not even feel any symptoms because there's good evidence to suggest that barretts is caused by bile reflux rather than simply acid. This is possibly why people who take PPIs for reflux are actually at an increased risk for developing esophageal cancer.

My doctor tells me that there is no surgery that can benefit me. The only surgery that he would recommend is the nissen fundoplication. He says that is only done in instances where you have a hiatal hernia, so I have nothing to do a nissen on. This is absolutely false as a re-occuring hiatal hernia is actually the number one reason nissens fail. The nissen fundoplication wraps the top part of your stomach (the fundus) around your esophagus. It doesn't have anything to do with a hernia beyond many doctors performing both a nissen and hernia repair at the same time because hernia repair frequently leads to reflux.

At the end of the day I spent $3,000 in tests, wasn't given any advice that I wasn't already aware of, and didn't feel any better than I did before I visited the doctor.

Just because I don't have x, y, or z disease doesn't mean I'm a normal, healthy individual. If a doctor can't place all of your symptoms in a neat little box and call it a name, the doctor is completely clueless.

This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 6:30 pm
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:48 pm to
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I'm not a lowest common denominator moron. I've spent hours researching digestive health, and listening to this doctor parrot something I could pull up on webmd in 5 seconds isn't worth my time or money. I would put good money down on my knowing far more about reflux and post-cholecystectomy because I live it every day.


Well, Doctor...Do you know what putting good money down to know a lot more about reflux s/p lap chole is called? Medical school.

I had to fire a patient like you once. Reading your newest post should enlighten everyone else as to what the real problem was in your failed doctor-patient relationship...
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:58 pm to
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If you have diabetes, maybe you have dietary restrictions. Following the dietary restrictions may make you feel more or less normal but it doesn't cure you of the disease. I don't have to spend hundreds of dollars going to a doctor for him to tell me to stop eating donuts. I already know that, and if I didn't, I would know after 5 minutes on google.


All of that time you spent reading about acid reflux, you should spend a little more time on diabetes.

And you have absolutely no idea what the everyday patient does and doesn't know about diabetes.

All of your assumptions are just that, assumptions. You claim to know so much more than your doctor but you can't seem to figure out what is wrong with yourself.

After reading all your posts I would say the majority of your symptoms lie above your shoulders. You would be a great patient for an alternative medicine doctor, I don't think your GI doctor will lose sleep over seeing you go.

Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:59 pm to
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People want to know why their buddies can eat a dozen donuts and not get sick but yet why they do.

He was confirming an acid reflux diagnosis.


I'm pretty sure he gave you the answer. You just didn't like it.
Posted by EA6B
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:59 pm to
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I had to fire a patient like you once. Reading your newest post should enlighten everyone else as to what the real problem was in your failed doctor-patient relationship...


If you get rid of patients that try to educate themselves about their affliction and question the validity of your diagnoses the problem is not the patient.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:05 pm to
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If you get rid of patients that try to educate themselves about their affliction and question the validity of your diagnoses the problem is not the patient.


You would have to read between the lines of what this guy is saying to get a sense of what kind of patient he is. You ever run across crazy people in your every day life and are glad that you don't have to interact with them again? Those people go to the doctor too, and they keep coming back.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:06 pm to
Look at all these dictators- I mean doctors, yelling at you! You know who doesn't yell? Chiropractors.

Really shows who the sane ones are
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:14 pm to
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Look at all these dictators- I mean doctors, yelling at you! You know who doesn't yell? Chiropractors. Really shows who the sane ones are


What is a sane response to someone telling you that you don't know anything about your profession?

Walk into a lawyer's office and tell him he doesn't know anything about the law... how long will he hold your hand and explain things to you so that you feel better

Walk into a engineer's office and tell him he doesn't know anything about engineering... let us know how that goes

Oh and keep doing that over and over again
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:19 pm to
Well nowadays that the sum of medical knowledge is on sites like web md, most of the esoteric information that used to be only known to doctors is in everyone's hands.
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
10380 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:22 pm to
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You would have to read between the lines of what this guy is saying to get a sense of what kind of patient he is. You ever run across crazy people in your every day life and are glad that you don't have to interact with them again? Those people go to the doctor too, and they keep coming back.


Are some people hypochondriacs? absolutely.

But do you know what? For the first 26 years of my life, I never visited a doctor or really thought about my health at all like most young people. Over time I developed acalculous gallbladder disease and had surgery to have the organ removed. I had about 6 months of respite (minus daily diarrhea) until the nausea and lack of appetite crept back in followed soon by GERD and motion sickness. For about the first four months, I was under the impression that I also had barrettes esophagus per the doctor's explanation after my first endoscopy only to find out in April that I did not in fact have it.
Perhaps if I could just go a year or two in between health problems, I wouldn't be this way, but for the past two years, my life (and about a total of $6,000 finances) has virtually centered around health concerns.

Maybe because of all this, I pay a little bit more attention to my body than most people or more than I ever did before, but people like you dismissing patients without an easily diagnosed problem as simply being "crazy" are part of the problem and part of the reason why people do seek alternative medicine.

The case of my doctor verbally demonstrating his lack of understanding regarding reflux disease is just the cherry on top.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 7:32 pm
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:27 pm to
I'm sure you've heard this before but a lot of those symptoms sound like gluten hypersensitivity. Or energy drinks
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
10380 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:30 pm to
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I'm sure you've heard this before but a lot of those symptoms sound like gluten hypersensitivity. Or energy drinks


My CEO is a big alternative health nut and stocks our kitchen with lots of gluten free snacks and different types of green teas.

He suggested I get tested for a food allergy, but I admit to knowing nothing about it and it seems expensive.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:37 pm to
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Maybe because of all this, I pay a little bit more attention to my body than most people or more than I ever did before, but people like you dismissing patients without an easily diagnosed problem as simply being "crazy" are part of the problem and part of the reason why people do seek alternative medicine.


I don't think you are crazy because of anything to do with your symptoms or diagnosis

I think you are crazy because you think you understand post operative complications of gallbladder surgery because you read a WebMD article. Do you know what studies that 5-40% complication rate comes from? Do you know that the range you give probably covers different types of procedures, different surgeon experience levels, different patient ages, genders, and health statuses. Do you know what your surgeon's complication rate is? Maybe he has a better idea than you do. So, maybe he didn't "lie" to you about his complication rate.

No one is saying you shouldn't try alternative medicine, it's your body go for it. But I think if you hold them to the same standards you did for your surgeon, you won't find the answers you are looking for.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:41 pm to
Your alternative medicine doctor says you should avoid gluten and drink green tea.... OMG genius! I knew those doctors didn't know shite

Your doctor says you should stop eating donuts because it is aggravating your acid reflux.... OMG what an idiot! Why did I pay him to tell me something I could have found on google in 5 minutes

Do you see the irony?
Posted by el Gaucho
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 8:09 pm to
are you a man of faith? I find that many sick people don't follow God's nutrition laws as laid down in the old testament
Posted by St Augustine
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 8:12 pm to
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They do not. Most have either a bachelors or a masters.


Most of us have been getting DPTs for the last decade plus.

Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80850 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 1:12 pm to
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If a doctor can't place all of your symptoms in a neat little box and call it a name, the doctor is completely clueless.
This is unbelievably stupid.
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Just because I don't have x, y, or z disease doesn't mean I'm a normal, healthy individual.
Maybe you need to see someone for neurosis.
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