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re: Call of Duty Game Ends with Police Murder
Posted on 12/30/17 at 11:26 am to TheOcean
Posted on 12/30/17 at 11:26 am to TheOcean
you are the one who brought a legal definition, with an agenda, to a message board. Murder is an act requiring circumstances beyond a mere "killing".
So you must be the smart one.
Give me the courtesy of answering the following, as you sit on your comfy easy-chair, knowing all the details...
1) should cops have been trained on the possibility that the whole call was a hoax? Or is that just hindsight
2) what is it like to be on-scene, where the facts as you know are that there is a hostage situation, with at least one shooting already committed inside the house, and a suspect (likely the caller, likely the shooter) emerges and fidgets and moves his hands from waist to shoulder-high to waist to up high??
So you must be the smart one.
Give me the courtesy of answering the following, as you sit on your comfy easy-chair, knowing all the details...
1) should cops have been trained on the possibility that the whole call was a hoax? Or is that just hindsight
2) what is it like to be on-scene, where the facts as you know are that there is a hostage situation, with at least one shooting already committed inside the house, and a suspect (likely the caller, likely the shooter) emerges and fidgets and moves his hands from waist to shoulder-high to waist to up high??
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Posted on 12/30/17 at 11:32 am to JPinLondon
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1) should cops have been trained on the possibility that the whole call was a hoax? Or is that just hindsight
He should be trained to what a threat was. No weapon, easily could've executed a hostage for all he knew. That magically would get charges, despite being not so different than what actually occurred.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 11:35 am to MoarKilometers
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He should be trained to what a threat was. No weapon, easily could've executed a hostage for all he knew. That magically would get charges, despite being not so different than what actually occurred.
Well said. As I have stated a few times, the cop went too far, and likely screwed up. Possibly even should face some negligence charges. But given all the facts, to call this a "police murder" shows a lack of basic comprehension of the term "murder".
Posted on 12/30/17 at 12:57 pm to JPinLondon
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Murder is an act requiring circumstances beyond a mere "killing".
So if you shoot a cop while he's trying to shoot you it's not murder?
Good to know.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 2:57 pm to Obtuse1
Don’t worry about it.
This post was edited on 12/30/17 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 12/30/17 at 3:10 pm to TheOcean
I always joked with one of my Muslim friends that I'd do this to him. Damn it would have been funny
Posted on 12/30/17 at 3:15 pm to JPinLondon
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1) should cops have been trained on the possibility that the whole call was a hoax? Or is that just hindsight
As it’s become a semi common issue- yes. Additionally they should be trained in assessing scenes on arrival, as well as what’s a reasonable threat. We’ve seen this with improper warrants (serving at the wrong address), pranks, or over exaggerated calls
I haven’t used murder here but I’ll say this — if you want to use a self defense claim in a situation where you have an entire swat team on your side; you sure as hell better show up with an articulable reason your life was imminently threatened and not talk of fidgeting and false reports. “A gun was pulled...” is a jumping off point for that defense.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 3:22 pm to JPinLondon
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your use of the term "murder" (in thread title) shows either a lack of understanding of that word, or an agenda, or, at best, laziness.
it's pretty fricking bad on the cop's end
Posted on 12/30/17 at 3:24 pm to DeafJam73
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but he went into what he thought was a uniquely dangerous situation
why was he approaching the door if he wasn't prepared to handle the situation properly? that seems insane for a person either not trained or without the proper mentality for such an event
Posted on 12/30/17 at 3:26 pm to DeafJam73
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They’re trained to use the absolute necessary force needed to resolve a situation
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Officers need better academies. They need better preparation and training to better assess situations.
oh so they're not trained to use "the absolute necessary force needed"?
Posted on 12/30/17 at 3:35 pm to DeafJam73
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If you recieved a call that a guy had killed someone and was holding hostages, would you not be at least a little anxious?
i wouldn't be approaching the door by myself for no real reason at all
if i were that stupid/negligent, sure i'd probably be nervous due to my stupidity/negligence
Posted on 12/30/17 at 3:38 pm to wadewilson
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So if you shoot a cop while he's trying to shoot you it's not murder?
this is the question
if the man in the house DID have a gun and the cop missed, leading to the citizen shooting and killing the cop for an illegal attack, would the citizen avoid charges? frick no
Posted on 12/30/17 at 3:43 pm to TheOcean
What does swatting mean?
Posted on 12/30/17 at 4:01 pm to Napoleon
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Someone needs to come out with a knock out gun. One hit and you're out
Once the hand phaser is perfected, it'll be the bomb. They'll be able to set them on "light" or "heavy" stun. I can even see uses for them besides police work, like, if there's a really long line at the grocery store and you're in a big hurry.
This post was edited on 12/30/17 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 12/30/17 at 4:08 pm to GEAUXmedic
quote:when the judge reads him his sentence and jail time, I'm sure his level of accountability and responsibility will go through the roof. (At least I hope)
Listen to the interview of this asshat. Typical millennial who doesn't want to take responsibility for their own actions
Posted on 12/30/17 at 4:32 pm to lsucoonass
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What does swatting mean?
Gaming/twitch lingo meaning you call the swat team/cops on someone for no reason
Video showing twitch streamers getting swatted
Posted on 12/31/17 at 4:54 am to ShreveportHog94
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So the cop?
This guy created an incredibly high stressful situation. Did you hear his 911 call where he pretended to have just killed his dad or whatever? It sounds believably and nuts. Definitely check it out. I wish they hadn’t shot an innocent man but they did go to this home expecting to deal with a mad man holding people hostage.
He has a history of prank calling and even threatening bomb scares. This guy needs to do hard prison time. It’s disgusting,
Posted on 12/31/17 at 4:55 am to TheOcean
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I don't see how him lowering his hands while outside away from the "hostages" and no weapon in sight warrants being killed
I agree it’s awful. It’s awful of both parties. Never had to come to this.
Posted on 12/31/17 at 5:00 am to beauchristopher
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I wish they hadn’t shot an innocent man but they did go to this home expecting to deal with a mad man holding people hostage.
It's pretty scary to think this could happen to anyone, and they could get killed because the cop thought he was in a tense situation.
Posted on 12/31/17 at 5:35 am to Houma Sapien
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I didn't understand a word of that. And I'm not that old. Wtf is a twitch?
Twitch is a site sorta like Youtube except it's live. It is mostly a video gaming site where gamers stream their gameplay.
SWATing is when another gamer calls in a fake 911 report of a murder in progress at his rival gamer's home. The SWAT team knocks on the door of his victim thinking the victim is a crazed killer. In this case the SWAT team actually killed an innocent dude.
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