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re: Building high density apartment complexes in affluent suburbs
Posted on 5/22/24 at 4:52 pm to turnpiketiger
Posted on 5/22/24 at 4:52 pm to turnpiketiger
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On the bright side, maybe the football and basketball teams will get some much needed talent to pool from. More Randy Mosses and less Wes Welkers if you catch my drift.
Maybe basketball. Don't need any football talent. Schools are already damn good without the hood element.
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 4:52 pm to Mstate
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That’s one thing Madison, Mississippi has right. The mayor does not allow apartments to be built in the city. Keeps the riff raff out.
It's a good thing Madison is not in Hinds County. The county commissioners from Germantown and Collierville are outnumbered by those from Memphis on the Shelby County Commission. The Memphis commissioners forced zoning changes in the county and allowed these monstrous apartments right across the street from the city limits of Germantown and Collierville.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 4:53 pm to Cdawg
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Can you be a little more specific?
Creek Bend. Borgfeld and 281. This is not an area built for low income residents.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 4:54 pm to ghost2most
10 years ago we were looking at a house that backed up to a 9 acre field with horses and cows. I asked what it was zoned before we bought. (I don’t remember the name, but ag or something like that). We bought the house. Almost immediately developers were trying to get the pasture behind us rezoned for high density apartments (old folks had died, kids wanted to sell, developers were salivating). All of us neighbors went to meeting at city hall, got it denied. Happened almost immediately with another company wanting to put high density housing, + a 7-11 on the corner, etc. again, we fought, it was denied. Round three started, that developer agreed to single family homes on "no less than 1/4 acre lots"…so we acquiesced. It was certain that sooner or later "fight-it-fatigue would result in no one showing up for the meetings and something would get bulldozed through. Better to settle for single family residential (it was not going to stay a horse pasture, that’s for sure) than quit fighting and let HD housing sneak in. The corner went to a residential memory care place (better than a convenience store) and the rest was quickly built into a neighborhood. However, looks like 1/10 acre lots instead of the 1/4 acre lots "promised."
This post was edited on 5/22/24 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 5/22/24 at 4:59 pm to DarlingClementine
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10 years ago we were looking at a house that backed up to a 9 acre field with horses and cows. I asked what it was zoned before we bought. (I don’t remember the name, but ag or something like that). We bought the house. Almost immediately developers were trying to get the pasture behind us rezoned for high density apartments (old folks had died, kids wanted to sell, developers were salivating). All of us neighbors went to meeting at city hall, got it denied. Happened almost immediately with another company wanting to put high density housing, + a 7-11 on the corner, etc. again, we fought, it was denied. Round three started, that developer agreed to single family homes on "no less than 1/4 acre lots"…so we acquiesced. It was certain that sooner or later "fight-it-fatigue would result in no one showing up for the meetings and something would get bulldozed through. Better to settle for single family residential (it was not going to stay a horse pasture, that’s for sure) than quit fighting and let HD housing sneak in. The corner went to a residential memory care place (better than a convenience store) and the rest was quickly built into a neighborhood. However, looks like 1/10 acre lots instead of the 1/4 acre lots "promised."
Exactly. Where we are, everyone is on a minimum half acre. Lots of lots are bigger. There are some newer subdivisions on smaller lots but they're mostly really nice. Other than one area with some trailers and poor Mexicans, there isn't a bad neighborhood within miles.
There is no bus route. There are very few low income jobs. It's absolutely ludicrous to bus people 30 miles from the city to live in an area where they'll need to drive everywhere and can't afford the cost of living without subsidies.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:00 pm to Rand AlThor
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You should support education reform that doesn't pay for local schools with local property taxes and instead treats all of our students equally, and then parents seeking good education for their children won't have to move to your neighborhood
Funding doesn't drive outcomes. Family and upbringing do. These people are trying to escape the hood but will end up bringing the hood with them.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:01 pm to ghost2most
Yeah, I see it happening in the metro Atlanta county I live in. It was formerly subdivisions with homes on a 1/2 acre or acre, great schools, and reasonable local traffic.
Now they are adding high-density housing, the schools are taking a dive and the traffic is becoming problematic.
Now they are adding high-density housing, the schools are taking a dive and the traffic is becoming problematic.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:05 pm to SpotCheckBilly
It's already got me thinking about where we might go eventually.
I spent the first half of my life in Louisana. Looking back, it was freaking miserable and my happiness improved 10 fold not being in close proximity to ghetto trash.
I want to spend my remaining years away from it.
I spent the first half of my life in Louisana. Looking back, it was freaking miserable and my happiness improved 10 fold not being in close proximity to ghetto trash.
I want to spend my remaining years away from it.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:05 pm to ghost2most
yep, they have another one planned down 281 from that one I believe. That's messed up.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:06 pm to Cdawg
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yep, they have another one planned down 281 from that one I believe. That's messed up.
yep. So you know the area, and know what I mean that this is not that type of place where it makes sense for low income housing or people.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:08 pm to Jcorye1
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I wonder who's gonna update all the infrastructure,
In my experience you will pay for it unfortunately though tax increases
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:08 pm to chinhoyang
This reminds me of the apartment complexes in Shreveport having their water cut off for non-payments of bills. They were all subsidized and are catching hell.
But, the reality is that each apartment was loaded up with freeloaders (either squatters or unauthorized residents) who trashed up the apartments and grounds. One apartment had a giant pile of shite tires in the parking lot. These people ruin the apartment. They don't pay rent. So, the complex has no money to keep stuff up.
The good tenants, who want a nice place of live and who pay their bills, suffer. Everyone just sponges until they are kicked out.
It is an age old story that we see locally all the time. Woman with kid gets goverment apartment. Knows the rules. Has shitty, drug dealing ghetto boyfriend move in (which is not allowed). Then his shitty friends arrive. They hang out. They commit crime and vandalize the complex.
You would almost have to bar visitation of any kind to keep things in good order. The shitty people are cockroaches who can always find a way in.
But, the reality is that each apartment was loaded up with freeloaders (either squatters or unauthorized residents) who trashed up the apartments and grounds. One apartment had a giant pile of shite tires in the parking lot. These people ruin the apartment. They don't pay rent. So, the complex has no money to keep stuff up.
The good tenants, who want a nice place of live and who pay their bills, suffer. Everyone just sponges until they are kicked out.
It is an age old story that we see locally all the time. Woman with kid gets goverment apartment. Knows the rules. Has shitty, drug dealing ghetto boyfriend move in (which is not allowed). Then his shitty friends arrive. They hang out. They commit crime and vandalize the complex.
You would almost have to bar visitation of any kind to keep things in good order. The shitty people are cockroaches who can always find a way in.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:12 pm to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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Whoever owns the land can do what they want with it.
If only that was how this worked in the modern day.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:13 pm to Rand AlThor
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You should support education reform that doesn't pay for local schools with local property taxes and instead treats all of our students equally, and then parents seeking good education for their children won't have to move to your neighborhood
The problems with schools isn’t the funding source or funding levels it’s the parents in certain areas. Poor areas have poor schools because poor people generally don’t care about their children’s schooling.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:25 pm to ghost2most
I knew going in that it would almost certainly eventually be developed. However, I figured "regular" neighborhoods, not apartments! I do think the owners (heirs) have a right to sell it…..but there needed to be a middle ground between horse pasture and multi unit apartment building.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:41 pm to ghost2most
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No cultcha. Low to no crime.
This is a very affluent area.
You can expect these statements to be temporarily true at best.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:42 pm to DarlingClementine
Obama assigned Holder to this project the last year of his administration, a very very low keyed position. His approach is to cut off Federal funding for any single family developments, forcing contractors to basically develop more Section 8 -like housing. This has increased drastically ever since biden took office. Expect more, not less as long as biden is in office.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:58 pm to ghost2most
Good in their classes but if the best upscale suburb school plays the best urban school it’s not even close.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:06 pm to Rand AlThor
quote:Good communities, families, and parents make good schools. For example, you can throw all the money you want at inner city schools and the results won’t be equal to the suburbs. You can’t enforce equity of outcome. Schools are a reflection of the communities they serve, nothing more.
You should support education reform that doesn't pay for local schools with local property taxes and instead treats all of our students equally, and then parents seeking good education for their children won't have to move to your neighborhood
This post was edited on 5/22/24 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:08 pm to turnpiketiger
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Good in their classes but if the best upscale suburb school plays the best urban school it’s not even close.
Not my experience in Georgia. All state champions are usually suburban or rural.
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