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re: Branch Davidians in Waco

Posted on 1/5/18 at 6:45 am to
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 6:45 am to
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It is pretty obvious that the Branch Davidians started the fires.


We didn't start the fiya....
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 6:46 am
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 6:47 am to
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We didn't start the fiya....




Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
144681 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 6:49 am to
Thing I recall most about Waco and Ruby Ridge is knowing 100% that Janet Reno didn’t sleep her way to the top.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
82463 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 6:57 am to
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Thing I recall most about Waco and Ruby Ridge is knowing 100% that Janet Reno didn’t sleep her way to the top.



Well played

But Ruby Ridge was April 1992.

Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 6:59 am to
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Did they talk about the child abuse and molestation that was going on there?



You mean the things that are not in Feds purview? Tell us when these became a Federal issue.

How about the made up stories about a meth lab on the grounds so that military assets could be requested?

Everyone here knows that Koresh was a freaking weirdo.

But the Feds screwed this up royally, there was no reason to go punching holes in their compound with tanks and CS gas. Then lying and covering things up made it even worse.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:04 am to
Of course DK could have just not done so much fricked up shite and eventually lead those people to their death
Posted by FreeState
Member since Jun 2012
3700 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:10 am to
Can't say it was handled correctly in hindsight but for him to be screwing 11 year old girls....
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:16 am to
Fun fact - Branch Davidians still exist as a religious sect, though a very small one.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37561 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:19 am to
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You mean the things that are not in Feds purview? Tell us when these became a Federal issue.

How about the made up stories about a meth lab on the grounds so that military assets could be requested?



I understand what you're saying and agree in a sense, but I also don't feel alot of sympathy for the untimely death of child abusers.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:20 am to
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Can't say it was handled correctly in hindsight but for him to be screwing 11 year old girls....



That part of the ABC special was rough. Hearing that the mother of the 11 year old actually set it up for DK to have sex with the child at a hotel room was disturbing. And wasn't the mother one of his "wives" as well?
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 7:21 am
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
27002 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:23 am to
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You mean the things that are not in Feds purview? Tell us when these became a Federal issue.


I suspect the combination of cult, child abuse (he was sleeping with 14 year olds and up, plus all of the kids were beaten daily), and a full arsenal of weapons was a bit too much for the local yokel authorities. David Koresh had to be stopped but the Fed’s completely blew the operation. Those people died because of it.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:23 am to
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And wasn't the mother one of his "wives" as well?


I think Koresh considered all the women to be his wives. And I think he made the other men take vows of celibacy.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:26 am to
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There was a hundred different ways that situation could have been handled that wouldn't have resulted in dead women and children.


Ok then how would you suggest clearing a compound or religious fanatics / extremist that have a death wish and are heavily armed?

You don’t have to list all “hundreds of ways”. 20-30 should be fine
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:27 am to
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I think Koresh considered all the women to be his wives. And I think he made the other men take vows of celibacy.



Just crazy the mindset of those men, goes to show the cult mentality and how much he had brainwashed him.

"Ok I'll be celibate but enjoy my wife David"


They showed a few of the children grown up on the special. Can only imagine the amount of therapy they have had to go through to have some sort of semblance of normalcy in their lives.
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
21242 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:28 am to
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This is funny for a lot of reasons.


Boro, Town, whatever it takes!
Posted by Collegedropout
Where Northern Mexico meets Dixie
Member since May 2017
5202 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:35 am to
What about men? Does their life matter? Or just women and children?
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
21242 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:37 am to
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Thing I recall most about Waco and Ruby Ridge is knowing 100% that Janet Reno didn’t sleep her way to the top.


Are you sure? Bill Clinton was a seed spreader of legendary status. His standards probably weren’t too high either. That said, Janet may not have been seeking what Slick Willy was selling, so you could be right.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:43 am to
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Yeah. Like not committing mass suicide by fire.



Or perhaps arresting Koresch on one of his many times per week trips into town.

There was zero tactical reason that 1) they could not have grabbed him outside of the compound, 2) there was no reason to move in on the compound, waiting them out could have happened easily.

Also, you have to look at this through the filter of also understanding what happened at Ruby Ridge when the government also murdered citizens.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27875 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:43 am to
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No fixer upper, no care



Chip and Joanna could have saved those people. Chip would knock out a wall or two and Joanna would have covered the place with wagon wheels and rustic Knick knacks and a big assed sign saying "antiques".

Serious note, you can tell how angry those ATF agents are, that there was a systemic protracted frick up an miscalculation. The worst being a raid in the first place. I never knew Koresh was seen all over Waco. Just pick him up alone in town?

Those Davidians would have been completely lost.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
57308 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 7:45 am to
The poor kids subjected to all that.
With that said, the siege was not handled appropriately at all and it sounds like they had numerous times they could have arrested Koresh in town instead.

Not to mention it led to McVeigh OKC bombing.
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