re: Boeing 737 Max - Designed by Clowns

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The project manager for the “fly by wire” software for several Boeing planes was a female LSU engineering graduate. One of her engineering professors was so concerned by the apparent gap between her ability to do the class work and understand it’s real world applications that he gave her a copy of the book “How Things Work” and suggested she find a job ipom graduation in something other than engineering.

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It’s info like this, true or not, which keeps me coming back to TD.

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And yet US pilots don't seem to have a huge issue with them. I think I'd trust the people that have to fly them.

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Over engineers and those that are actually building them? Are you dumb? Would you say that about any other driver of a vehicle in any other sector?

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Every suboptimal hiring decision to “diversify” has to do with this.

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The MAX problems have absolutely nothing to do with diversity or "suboptimal" hiring. The engineers at Boeing are qualified to design planes that fly, and fly well.

The problems with the MAX are 100% about cutting corners, saving money by not wanting to get a new plane certified, and regulatory capture.

The larger MAX engines shouldn't have been put on the 737, but it's a pain in the arse, and expensive, to get a new plane in the air and retrain a bunch of pilots. So Boeing put the engines on the 737 anyway. The engineers knew it was a bad idea.


frick you and your racist/sexist assumptions.

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ETA: see UAL232

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Like all US pilots would have the same outcome in that situation.

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And yet US pilots don't seem to have a huge issue with them

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Uhh, think again

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So why didn't all these qualified engineers say something?

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You think they didn't? Regardless, nobody had to speak up. It was known from the top down how stupid an idea it was to put those engines on the 737. The simple fact that software had to be written to prevent stalls lays out how obviously terrible this decision was.

Boeing was originally going to design a new plane with larger engines. But when they realized that would take too long and Airbus was going to kill them, they went ahead with this plan that they knew was stupid from the get-go.

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Boeing has been at the vanguard of diversity for the sake of diversity for some time.

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If you think for one second that Boeing, or any company, promotes diversity for the sake of diversity (rather than the bottom line), then you are out of your mind.

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How much Boeing's long-standing emphasis on diversity (from their "wheel of diversity" 25 years ago to diversity being front and center in their values today) contributed directly to the 737 Max trainwreck who knows.

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:raiseshand: I know! Precisely zero impact.

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But what it has done is it has shifted their culture from one that promoted excellence in craftsmanship to a harmful emphasis on diversity of form which in turn has led to a culture of non-transparency.

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FTR, voicing dissent at diversity of form is neither sexist nor racist.

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Well, FTR, gthog61 did not simply voice dissent at "diversity of form". He blamed the diverse hiring decisions for the crashes. Not the decision to put too-big engines on too-small planes. Not the decision to skip adequate pilot training by making the claim that the MAX flies just like a regular 737. Not the numerous decisions that resulted in a regulatory environment where the manufacturers certify their own planes. Not all of these bone-headed decisions that really made the plane unsafe to fly. No, he blames the decision to hire women and non-whites.

That's well beyond dissent. That's well beyond logic.

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The project manager for the “fly by wire” software for several Boeing planes was a female LSU engineering graduate. One of her engineering professors was so concerned by the apparent gap between her ability to do the class work and understand it’s real world applications that he gave her a copy of the book “How Things Work” and suggested she find a job ipom graduation in something other than engineering.

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Well she did. She found a job in project management.

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Boeing went cheap. Instead of designing a new plane, they slapped awkward arse engines on an old model out of Airbus fear.

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This. A fresh cut design should have been underway to succeed the 737NG line. Instead, the Dreamliner was top priority.

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And yet US pilots don't seem to have a huge issue with them. I think I'd trust the people that have to fly them.

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Don’t speak about shite you know nothing off. Pilots were furious over this plane

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The MAX problems have absolutely nothing to do with diversity or "suboptimal" hiring. The engineers at Boeing are qualified to design planes that fly, and fly well.

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Except they didn’t and don’t so that’s a little problem with your meltdown.

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frick you and your racist/sexist assumptions.

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Looks like Boeing is the one making decisions on race and sex instead of merit, whether or not that is biting them in the arse we don’t know. What we do know is they designed a plane that doesn’t fly too good. Spin it how you want.