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Boeing 737 Max - Designed by Clowns

Posted on 1/10/20 at 1:46 pm
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 1/10/20 at 1:46 pm
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• “I still haven’t been forgiven by God for the covering up I did last year,” one employee said in a message in 2018 in an apparent reference to prior dealings with the FAA.

• “Would you put your family on a Max simulator trained aircraft? I wouldn’t,” one employee said to a colleague before the first crash in 2018. “No,” the colleague said.

• “This airplane is designed by clowns, who are in turn supervised by monkeys,” an employee wrote in 2017.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/10/20 at 1:49 pm to
And yet US pilots don't seem to have a huge issue with them. I think I'd trust the people that have to fly them.
Posted by Strannix
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/10/20 at 1:51 pm to
Their focus is own diversity and hiring women and minorities per their own board. Not designing airplanes and rockets that fly.

quote:

“The most important investment Boeing makes is in our people,” said Dennis Muilenburg, Boeing chairman, president and CEO. “We’re intentionally becoming more diverse and focusing on inclusion because we know it will make us a better company. That’s why we’ve set bold goals in these areas, and they’re making a difference.”


This tells you all you need to know about Boeing
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 1:56 pm
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 1/10/20 at 1:53 pm to
quote:


• “This airplane is designed by clowns, who are in turn supervised by monkeys,” an employee wrote in 2017.


Uh oh. Racism lawsuit incoming.
Posted by Cdawg
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Member since Sep 2003
62218 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 1:54 pm to
It went from a company run by engineers to one run by businessmen. You can only cut, squeeze, or outsource so much without it compromising another facet.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
41677 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 1:56 pm to
Someone will come along to tell us that it's all the fault of foreign pilots.
Posted by Marlo Stanfield
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:13 pm to
CDawg, don't you live in Sugarland? You work for F***r?
Posted by Sentrius
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Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

It went from a company run by engineers to one run by businessmen. You can only cut, squeeze, or outsource so much without it compromising another facet.



There's fields where its ok if the bean counters are running things. However commercial aviation is not, will never and should never be one of those fields where bean counters can rule the roost.

You just cannot put a price on safety and if you take that approach too far, you will lose your absolute arse like Boeing has lost tens of billions of dollars on the Max disaster.

The bean counters has a role to play in commercial aviation but it should be sidekick only.
Posted by BoogerNuts
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

That’s why we’ve set bold goals in these areas, and they’re making a difference.”


Indeed they are.
Posted by GeauxTigers80
Birmingham
Member since Aug 2009
911 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:18 pm to
Isn't 777tiger or whatever his name is a commercial pilot. I would like to hear his take on it. He has probably commented on it but i dont feel like searching for it.
Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
61607 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

Their focus is own diversity and hiring women and minorities per their own board. Not designing airplanes and rockets that fly.


The issues with the 737 Max have frick all to do with diversifying the workforce and everything to do with not listening to engineers and forcing out a product that was in no way ready to fly without pilots getting a heavy dose of extra training the higher ups didn't want to admit was needed.
Posted by YouAre8Up
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Member since Mar 2011
12792 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

Uh oh. Racism lawsuit incoming.


quote:

• “This airplane is designed by clowns, who are in turn supervised by monkeys,” an employee wrote in 2017.


Over/under 3 bans
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
41677 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

The bean counters has a role to play in commercial aviation but it should be sidekick only.


The role of the bean counters should be "hey, let's finance things this way, and not that way" or "hey, let's apply for this tax credit".

It's not to say "hey, let's not include part XY on the plane cause it costs too much"
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6825 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

It went from a company run by engineers to one run by businessmen. You can only cut, squeeze, or outsource so much without it compromising another facet.


Exactly. After Boeing bought out McDonald Douglas the corporate culture changed.

After the merger the two biggest shareholders were former McDonald-Douglas execs. And they moved the corporate headquarters to Chicago.

It’s almost like McDonald-Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing’s money.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:54 pm to
Horse shite

Every suboptimal hiring decision to “diversify” has to do with this.

They should make their planes all rubber and change their name to boing.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

They should make their planes all rubber and change their name to boing.


Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21413 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:45 pm to
quote:

Exactly. After Boeing bought out McDonald Douglas the corporate culture changed.

After the merger the two biggest shareholders were former McDonald-Douglas execs. And they moved the corporate headquarters to Chicago.

It’s almost like McDonald-Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing’s money.

McDonnell Douglas, no McDonald nor a hyphen.
Posted by Inadvertent Whistle
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2015
5505 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

The issues with the 737 Max have frick all to do with diversifying the workforce and everything to do with not listening to engineers and forcing out a product that was in no way ready to fly without pilots getting a heavy dose of extra training the higher ups didn't want to admit was needed.


Just assumed they'd learn on the fly I guess.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
41677 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

Every suboptimal hiring decision to “diversify” has to do with this.


Meh. Maybe, but I'd look more at the general outsourcing overseas, of course maybe that's included in diversity...
Posted by EA6B
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Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 4:11 pm to
The project manager for the “fly by wire” software for several Boeing planes was a female LSU engineering graduate. One of her engineering professors was so concerned by the apparent gap between her ability to do the class work and understand it’s real world applications that he gave her a copy of the book “How Things Work” and suggested she find a job ipom graduation in something other than engineering.
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