re: Bar Exam Results are in and...

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When I took the bar 15 or so years ago, law school and bar exam study classes were essentially worthless. couldve studies the practice exam booklet for 2-3 weeks and passed straight out of undergrad really

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You're retarded, this is total bullshite

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They are letting too many students into law school! It's very hard to get into med school and too easy to get into law school. Only top students should be getting into both professions. It's wrong to let these students go to law school for 3 years and then they can't pass the bar or get a job. We have way too many lawyers and not enough doctors.

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I agree 100%.

Doctors are pretty much guaranteed to make a decent living after putting in so much work to be one. Attorneys? I know plenty of starving attorneys.

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I'm surprised we haven't had law schools closing already with the ridiculous costs and the demographic cliff hitting at the same time. I went about the same time you did and there's no way I could do it now, it's even more expensive now. I don't know how younger people today are doing it or what they're planning on doing as adults.

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I feel terrible for the kids in law school now. There’s no future in this profession for most of them with AI getting ready to replace most lower level associate positions (already happening). The legal profession very soon is going to revert to what it has been for most of the history of civilization, not a well paying path to the middle class, but something like fly fishing or any other niche hobby for the independently wealthy.

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I feel terrible for the kids in law school now. There’s no future in this profession for most of them with AI getting ready to replace most lower level associate positions (already happening).

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This is true. In seconds I can have AI analyze a complete file, tell me if it’s a good case, give reasons why, and draft the petition. And the work quality is impressively good.

Still need an attorney to talk to clients and appear at mediations but not for the grunt work.

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and there should be a portion that is equivalent to medical residency with hands on practical experience

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Yeah, it’s Incredible how a young fresh lawyer knows absolutely nothing about being a lawyer after all that schooling.

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Why are they still accredited, and/or why are we still using tax dollars to fund them?

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You know

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I wonder if thats tracked....seeing what top 10% of both schools make financially over the next 5 or 10 yrs

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I have never seen that information, but I am sure it exists somewhere. Most of the info you see is just comparing grads.

Median Tulane grad 1st year salary is $75k and the 5 year median is $107

LSU 1 year is $67k and 5 year is $80k

The debt-to-income ratio is better for LSU. Median debt for LSU grads is $88k and $160k for Tulane.


As an aside the best debt-to-income ratios are the elite law schools. Harvard for 1st year grads is .37 and the median debt coming out is "only" $93k.

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Teaching to the test.

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This is what LSU has done for decades.

While Louisiana represented a plurality of my TLS class, it was nowhere near a majority. Hell I’m an LSU grad and intended to stay in Louisiana to practice maritime law when I started TLS but took all of two Louisiana law courses (property and obligations). I passed the Georgia bar exam with half my brain tied behind my back. Probably would’ve flagged Louisiana.

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One thing I noticed when practicing was that graduates of lower ranked law schools were often better prepared to be actual attorneys. I graduated from a T20 and had absolutely no clue what I was doing. I was completely worthless, incompetent, and overwhelmed as an early associate. I could write a hell of a research memo but had no confidence in what I was doing in the courtroom or with clients.

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The best preparation, regardless of years of experience, is NITA. Take the trial programs, absolutely phenomenal, and you definitely will be a better attorney thereafter.

Where did you see that? Reuters reported that the 2025 law school class (not limited to big law) had record high employment.

I use Claude everyday for work and it has made me more efficient. I’d say it is more likely to replace paralegals than lawyers, at least in litigation.