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re: At what point do we stop focusing on the flattening curve idea
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
UK already bitched out
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:32 am to Chef Free Gold Bloom
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If we aren’t 100% back to normal in 2 weeks maximum we will see Great Depression Style misery and panic.
Something like 75% of this country doesn’t have to savings to cover a week of bills much less a month of everything without a paycheck.
I agree with this. The panic over this thing could be worse than the virus when you consider the economy tanking and wiping out tons of small businesses.
Either the cdc knows more than they are telling us, because they don’t want people to panic, or they’re being irresponsible by overstating this and causing unnecessary harm. Not sure which it is.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 8:33 am
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:33 am to lsu13lsu
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Unless we completely shutdown the country 100% for two weeks to a month there is no flattening the curve. We shouldn't be doing this in between stuff. Either go about business as usual or complete shutdown. This halfway stuff will not work.
It's mind blowing some of the halfway ideas. Things like artificial caps on the number of attendees at gatherings, making exceptions for religious services, letting restaurants open but with lesser seating capacity, etc aren't going to stop the spread if that's what real is the concern to those making the call. Halfassing two things is worse than whole assing one.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:33 am to Pintail
The death rate is currently low because it has just started and hospitals aren’t overwhelmed yet.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:34 am to tom
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basically the flu is going to go down as one of the dumbest ideas in history.
Saying this is basically the flu is dumb and shows you don't know what the frick you are talking about. The flu has a lower death rate. The flu also doesn't require as many hospitalizations which is the main concern at this point. Let's go ahead and ignore the facts. In two weeks every ICU hospital bed could be filled. What happens when someone has a stroke, heart attack, or gets in an accident and there is no place for them to go? The death rate for covid-19 will go up b/c we can't treat many of the patients and the death rate for other issues will go up b/c we won't have the beds and staff to deal with them either.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:34 am to BuckeyeFan87
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The death rate is currently low because it has just started
No it hasn’t
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:35 am to Bunk Moreland
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Well, what if we go back to business as usual in mid April and then cases start to spike? We're totally screwed at that point.
exactly
any area that hasn't experienced major issues is a threat to experience a new outbreak
hell, even ones who have had an outbreak aren't exactly treating a huge chunk of the population
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:36 am to TutHillTiger
quote:Can you link to these comments from world experts?
at least 2 of the world experts is that, it’s like trying to stop the wind. If you breathe you can get it.
That seems like a strange and specific anology for multiple different world experts to say.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 8:38 am
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:38 am to Ingeniero
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That's why it won't be such an issue in the future, but is an issue right now. No one's saying we have to go into quarantine for 8 weeks every year.
Until the next "scary" disease from some foreign country occurs. Which WILL happen. Likely in 2-4 years. If this response "worked" (relative to what you feel was important), then why would everyone not want to do it again...immediately? That will be the push. It worked with coronavirus, so let's do it again...society and economic consequences be damned!!
I'm sure many will disagree, but even if this response "saves" 50k people (FAR less than 1% of the US population), that benefit doesn't outweigh the costs of crashing the economy and grinding society to a halt, which hurts exponentially more people
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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eventually small counties without medical infrastructure are going to face similar issues (just on a lower scale). it doesn't take much to overtake medical facilities in rural areas (if any even exist)
Yeah, but the media doesn't care about those people so it won't be a "crisis" at that point.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:44 am to NIH
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The goobers who think everyone can work from home are in for a rude awakening
98% of white-collar work can be done from home.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:47 am to GetCocky11
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Yeah, but the media doesn't care about those people so it won't be a "crisis" at that point.
the issue with this disease is how contagious it is, so it's possible even small outbreaks are potentially dangerous for the whole area/state
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 8:48 am
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:48 am to Alt26
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I'm sure many will disagree, but even if this response "saves" 50k people (FAR less than 1% of the US population), that benefit doesn't outweigh the costs of crashing the economy and grinding society to a halt, which hurts exponentially more people
Put me in the group of people that would accept inconveniences in order to save 50k people.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:50 am to GetCocky11
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98% of white-collar work can be done from home.
And 75% of Americans can't stock shelves or serve food or deliver goods for the 25% of the population that get to sit at home while this is going on.
Most of society can't work from home.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
The worst part about all of this is that there is no real plan. Just some shite they threw together, following other countries, filled with unpredictability.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 9:37 am
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:56 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:This is what we should have done. It would be a lot easier for small business employers to pay workers who were high risk to stay home if they were still able to keep their business open and functioning somewhat normally.
that's the UK's plan. i like the theory. curious how it works out
they're putting the 15% (or so) of the population who are at risk in quarantine to allow 85% of society to function
we're putting 85% of the population in quarantine to decrease the chance the 15% get infected
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:02 am to 13SaintTiger
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The worst part about all of this is that there is no real plan. Just some shite they through together, following other countries, filled with unpredictability.
That's b/c many people didn't start taking this seriously until last week. Many experts were saying weeks ago that this was coming but everyone thought it was a nothing burger. Sadly, many people still do. Many things could have been done differently to prepare us: testing, propertly educating the public so it isn't a mad rush in 48 hours to stock up on supplies, etc.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:04 am to ashy larry
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That's b/c many people didn't start taking this seriously until last week
no it's because we just don't know what to do and it's not really possible to have a perfect plan. perfection is expensive
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Many things could have been done differently to prepare us: testing,
argument: invalid
testing is a red herring of the highest order
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propertly educating the public so it isn't a mad rush in 48 hours to stock up on supplies, etc.
i agree with you here. the mainstream media has blood on its hands. if the government wanted to curtail rights to help out the population, they should have started with the media's 1A rights first
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:06 am to Chef Free Gold Bloom
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We’re headed for a terribly dark time if we don’t turn this around soon and social media ha idiots pretending this is no big deal
Tha panic is undeniably real. More people will be hurt economically than by disease.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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i agree with you here. the mainstream media has blood on its hands. if the government wanted to curtail rights to help out the population, they should have started with the media's 1A rights first
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