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re: At what point do we stop focusing on the flattening curve idea
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:40 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:40 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
quote:Again, see Italy and the growth of this there.
Either the cdc knows more than they are telling us, because they don’t want people to panic
There is no big secret, it's all out there for us to see. Maybe we're overreacting, sure. But it's better than the alternative to not take this seriously and have it blow the F up.
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:42 am to stout
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Yes I read an article yesterday that 80% of people that have it can go home and recover with meds and rest. Much like with influenza, only their symptoms aren't as bad as influenza. The other 20% are those with underlying health issues and/or are past the age of 70 and even out of that group only the top 10% may require hospitalization.
Yep. The fear from the CV is from the unknown. Basically assuming the worst outcome. But apparently the overwhelming majority require quarantine, not hospitalization.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:43 am to shel311
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But it's better than the alternative to not take this seriously and have it blow the F up.
It's a tradeoff we will see much more of in the future. We are now conditioned.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:44 am to shel311
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, see Italy and the growth of this there.
you mean the whole chinese immigrants off the boat living stacked up stacked of eachother?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Maybe, but it doesn't change the idea that this is just a huge overreaction to "basically the flu" that many are throwing out there.
It's a tradeoff we will see much more of in the future. We are now conditioned.
What you said may be true but doesn't make what we're doing incorrect.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:46 am to shel311
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overreaction to "basically the flu"
Except there is a flu vaccine. Or in other words, there is no vaccine for coronavirus. You know what that means.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:47 am to stout
quote:Never said we'd be guaranteed to be the next Italy, but why is bringing it up wrong to prove a point? Answer, it's not.
Tired of people using Italy to prove their point. There are other countries not having those issues for a varitey of reasons.
If we didn't take all these precautions, we could be the next Italy. There would be nothing we're doing to ensure we're not, so I don't really get what your point is here?
quote:No thanks on trying to convince you of anything. If you can't see why bringing up Italy is logical, it's not on me to try and convince you in another way, that's a you issue to deal with.
n short, if that's the best you have then find new material or convince me why a country with more smokers
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:48 am to cahoots
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CV has proven that it can overwhelm hospitals
Exactly. Up several posts I say there is no CV vaccine. That makes a difference.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:48 am to Pintail
quote:What are the age statistics for these 69 people?
So far 69 people have died from the Coronavirus in the US
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:49 am to stout
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:51 am to cahoots
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okay then explain to us what's happening in spain
I love how we argue about this on the OT. I'm going to continue to post my worthless opinions but this is going to be interesting because we will all know what it means in three weeks to a month. We can then come back and point fingers at the idiots.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:52 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:54 am to cahoots
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CV has overwhelmed certain healthcare environments
I dont think anyone's arguing against this. It certainly has in specific places.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:56 am to yankeeundercover
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What are the age statistics for these 69 people?
What point are you trying to make?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:58 am to WaWaWeeWa
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When the curve is flat
When there is no rise in new cases.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:03 am to Obtuse1
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I don't think they have shown that immunity results after Covid-19 recovery. In fact, there are some cases that suggest you can contract it a second time.
My educated guess on that (reading some of those accounts), knowing what I know about virology, is that those cases represent prolonged shedding from the same infectious incident, as opposed to reinfection. I'm already reading that there is promising in-vitro accounts regarding antibody production and collection from convalescent sera for passive immunization. My hunch would be that it would be unusual to have some significant portion individuals susceptible to reinfection, whereas other are conferred immunity with regards to the same virus. I supposed this doesn't take into account mutation of surface proteins which could change the game, but I have not heard of that yet with regards to SARS-CoV-2.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:05 am to ashy larry
quote:I think we all have our personal thoughts on where that line is drawn, but it is important to understand a line has to be drawn somewhere and some amount of deaths will have to be "accepted" to go back to a normal way of life.
Put me in the group of people that would accept inconveniences in order to save 50k people.
Think about cars for an example. Cars can theoretically be made safer, speed limits can be drastically reduced. But we're essentially "ok" with a certain amount of deaths resulting from cars that aren't as safe as humanly possible and speed limits higher to get us from point A to B quicker.
It's all a balance in how much death we're ok with to balance continuing our normal way of life, and there is a # out there.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:06 am to tom
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Ruining the economy to "flatten the curve" for a virus that is basically the flu is going to go down as one of the dumbest ideas in history.
You should educate yourself before you voice such stupid opinions.
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