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re: At what point do we stop focusing on the flattening curve idea

Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:11 am to
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6139 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:11 am to
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In fact, there are some cases that suggest you can contract it a second time.


This is incorrect. The cases were false positives.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57438 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:12 am to
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It's not "basically the flu" for a number of reasons


and where did you get your medical degree?
Posted by Smalls
Southern California
Member since Jul 2009
10245 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:12 am to
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How is this not going to be a yearly event?


Eventually you'll get the Covid vaccine just like the flu vaccine.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112610 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:12 am to
The goobers who think everyone can work from home are in for a rude awakening
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422393 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:13 am to
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So you say the area under the curve is identical? By the way I don't believe you. It's almost a fatalistic view.

the projections are fatalistic

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If we can reduce the peak of the curve, we can reduce the number of cases.

the only reason we care about spikes/peaks is critical hospital beds available. all of our policies are about reducing the chance of flooding those beds
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:16 am to
The best comment I hade heard from at least 2 of the world experts is that, it’s like trying to stop the wind. If you breathe you can get it.

All these hand washing, mask, etc are really just bullshite to give people something to do, so they don’t feel helpless, and can’t hurt but they are going to stop you from catching this.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
18276 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:16 am to
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At what death rate can we say that it is?

quote:

and where did you get your medical degree?

It's not just death rate that matters. There's currently no vaccine for it. There's also no way to develop herd immunity and because it's novel, there's no natural immunity. That's why it won't be such an issue in the future, but is an issue right now. No one's saying we have to go into quarantine for 8 weeks every year.
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
93714 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:16 am to
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will see Great Depression Style misery and panic.


You’re being a bit dramatic, mom.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422393 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:16 am to
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How is this not going to be a yearly event? Are we still banking on developing herd immunity over time even with all the quarantines?

i think we have a vaccine in a year or so and herd immunity takes over by that point

but

we're not going to isolate this virus in that year. it's going to keep spreading. the US is a LARGE country and eventually small counties without medical infrastructure are going to face similar issues (just on a lower scale). it doesn't take much to overtake medical facilities in rural areas (if any even exist)
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30587 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:17 am to
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all of our policies are about reducing the chance of flooding those beds


I think people are misunderstanding this.
More people start understanding this they are going to get impatient under lock down.

Might be better to just quarantine the most vulnerable.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 8:26 am
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15052 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:19 am to
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the only reason we care about spikes/peaks is critical hospital beds available. all of our policies are about reducing the chance of flooding those beds


You and I are in agreement here. It makes perfect sense. A
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25618 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:20 am to
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We’re just fricked in that case.


Yes, to an extent. That is why spreading out the infections are particularly important until it is determined if it is seasonal and to what extent people gain immunity. If we don't gain immunity at a significant percentage of those infected the goal then is to make it until a vaccine is manufactured in significant quantities to reach herd immunity.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422393 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:20 am to
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Might be better to just quarantine the most vulnerability.

that's the UK's plan. i like the theory. curious how it works out

they're putting the 15% (or so) of the population who are at risk in quarantine to allow 85% of society to function

we're putting 85% of the population in quarantine to decrease the chance the 15% get infected
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11480 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:22 am to
Unless we completely shutdown the country 100% for two weeks to a month there is no flattening the curve. We shouldn't be doing this in between stuff. Either go about business as usual or complete shutdown. This halfway stuff will not work.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57438 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:24 am to
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At what death rate can we say that it is?

quote:
and where did you get your medical degree?

It's not just death rate that matters. There's currently no vaccine for it. There's also no way to develop herd immunity and because it's novel, there's no natural immunity. That's why it won't be such an issue in the future, but is an issue right now. No one's saying we have to go into quarantine for 8 weeks every year.


so again, where did you get your medical degree?
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25618 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:27 am to
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This is incorrect. The cases were false positives.


While what I have read doesn't suggest there is proof of this it is still to be determined if the average human actually gains immunity.
Posted by NolaTiger52
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2018
1859 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:27 am to
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this is the macro issue and why i find the UK's strategy so interesting

flattening the curve with an incredibly contagious disease in a country this big seems like we're just going to have rolling crises

Could you elaborate?
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79188 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:28 am to
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It's not "basically the flu" for a number of reasons



That people are still so insistent on this is just amazing

For every SJW who thinks there are 1000 genders there are people who get 100% of their news and information from Sheriff David Clarke's blog. Both are pretty horrifying.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53273 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:29 am to
Well, what if we go back to business as usual in mid April and then cases start to spike? We're totally screwed at that point.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
18276 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:29 am to
And apparently, unless I have a medical degree, everything that comes out of my mouth is fearmongering mumbo jumbo

"We need to do ___ to prevent an overwhelming hit to medical services"
"WELL YA AINT A DOCTOR ARE YA"
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 8:30 am
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