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re: At least 23 dead in Mississippi tornadoes
Posted on 3/25/23 at 3:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/25/23 at 3:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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these poor people didn't appear to have any warning.
They did. The first warning, directly to their southwest, went out 20 minutes prior to the tornado hitting the town. There was 12 minutes of lead time when the first warning that included the town went out.
You also can't dismiss the initial Tornado Watch as not serving as warning. Nor can you dismiss the few days of forecasting leading to the event as not being warning.
There are tornadoes that legitimately "hit without warning", I don't consider this one of them. Labeling it as such discredits the decent job done by the SPC and the local NWS WFO. That amount of lead time in the early stages of a long track supercell/storm is likely average, or maybe above average.
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Posted on 3/25/23 at 3:42 pm to alphaandomega
AgUp Equipment Co, (John Deere dealer in Rolling Fork).
Posted on 3/25/23 at 3:42 pm to Rebel
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You only get minutes notice of tornado. You think being in a car is safer?
If you are not paying attention, maybe not.
If you are, and you know which direction the tornado is going, I think so.
The one time I nearly had to make that decision, I was seconds from grabbing the dog and firing up the truck to get the hell outta Dodge, but it turned to the east at that moment.
My plan is to outrun the thing if I can if I'm not around an underground shelter. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but that's my plan. In these sorts of situations, I think a plan of any sort is better than no plan. Again, your mileage may vary.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 3:47 pm to LegendInMyMind
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That warning was upgraded to a PDS warning at 7:59, seven minutes prior to the tornado reaching town. That is better lead time, particularly in the early stages of a tornado-producing storm, than we often see. I'm all for calling out missed or delayed warning when it is warranted, I just don't believe this one is warranted.
When he said they didn’t have a chance he was responding to me who had gone on a rant about my belief that if you have an F4/F5 headed your way without a shelter you should leave if at all possible.
His response that you saw was pointing out they didn’t know they had a monster tornado headed their way, just that it was warned but not in a way that would make clear the severity of the situation.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 4:21 pm to bpinson
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AgUp Equipment Co, (John Deere dealer in Rolling Fork).
Thank you Will let our director know.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 4:28 pm to bpinson
Also if you have a contact name or phone for them please email me at
alphaandomegatd@gmail.com
Thanks
alphaandomegatd@gmail.com
Thanks
Posted on 3/25/23 at 4:41 pm to shutterspeed
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That seems like an insane number of deaths—even for a tornado.
We had 24 here in Mayfield alone. 8 of them in a candle factory. It’s still debated whether it was an EF5.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 4:43 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Not to get into a dick measuring contest over damage but I see people say these types of things quite a bit and as someone who has visited many disaster zones, Mississippi after Katrina is as bad as it gets.
Point taken. I live on the Coast, and we had to gut our house after Katrina due to the storm surge. Fortunately, the years must have dulled my memory. That was an awful time for us after Katrina. I still get anxiety when I see images of how bad it was.
I think what made the Rolling Fork images so horrific to me was the knowledge that there are likely people under all that debris. The death toll for such a small town is just staggering.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 5:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't think shelters would have mattered here, these poor people didn't appear to have any warning.
That’s factually incorrect and spits in the face of the work that the National Weather Service does.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 5:25 pm to tigerbutt
NWS Jackson has had their survey teams deployed today. They said it may take a couple of days to complete surveys and get preliminary ratings out, though.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 3/25/23 at 5:28 pm to tide06
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His response that you saw was pointing out they didn’t know they had a monster tornado headed their way, just that it was warned but not in a way that would make clear the severity of the situation.
It's also dark - country darkness, with bad weather over a large area and you don't know the exact location, speed, and direction of the funnel. So you don't have a good way to outrun it.
If you live in Rolling Fork you're screwed.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 5:30 pm to Pisco
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We had 24 here in Mayfield alone. 8 of them in a candle factory. It’s still debated whether it was an EF5.
Damn. I remember that one.
I had an extra Bible from when a group was handing them out at an intersection. I found a Baptist church in Mayfield and sent it to them. I assume someone in the area needed a replacement.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 5:36 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Rolling Fork is a very little town of about 2,500 people along Highway 61 kind of on the southern edge of the Mississippi Delta. It’s been many years since I’ve been there but based my memory it may have a stoplight and a kind of a cool old general store, gas station, restaurant. I think that is the first place I ever discovered Kool-Aid pickles. It mostly an older person farming community if I remember correctly. It’s right north of my old hunting camp.
i think a lot of the homes were double and single wide trailers, which probably contributed greatly to the fatalities. I used to have a bunch of clients from the area and there were always really good God-fearing County people, who wanted to welcome you into their homes, cook you lunch, dinner, breakfast take you hunting or fishing or whatever. Salt of the earth people.
It’s right next to onward Mississippi which is the location that Theodore Roosevelt refused to shoot the tied up bear cub leading to the stuffed bear phenomenon known today as the “teddy bear. “ Unfortunately, his guide Moo-Tee (maybe) cut the cubs neck so although it’s a wonderful story, is it in somewhere for the little bear.
These people deserved better, and I hope and pray that help will be pouring in.
i think a lot of the homes were double and single wide trailers, which probably contributed greatly to the fatalities. I used to have a bunch of clients from the area and there were always really good God-fearing County people, who wanted to welcome you into their homes, cook you lunch, dinner, breakfast take you hunting or fishing or whatever. Salt of the earth people.
It’s right next to onward Mississippi which is the location that Theodore Roosevelt refused to shoot the tied up bear cub leading to the stuffed bear phenomenon known today as the “teddy bear. “ Unfortunately, his guide Moo-Tee (maybe) cut the cubs neck so although it’s a wonderful story, is it in somewhere for the little bear.
These people deserved better, and I hope and pray that help will be pouring in.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:06 pm to TutHillTiger
Google satellite map has an image of before. LINK
As a county seat it had a lot more than many smaller towns. A quick glance didn't show a lot of trailers.
As a county seat it had a lot more than many smaller towns. A quick glance didn't show a lot of trailers.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:10 pm to TutHillTiger
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think a lot of the homes were double and single wide trailers,
It’s been noted in this thread that this wasn’t the case
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:11 pm to tigerbutt
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:39 pm to TutHillTiger
This is just horrible.
I have family in Starkville and also in Flowood, east of Jackson. Was that area impacted?
I have family in Starkville and also in Flowood, east of Jackson. Was that area impacted?
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:40 pm to tarzana
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I have family in Starkville and also in Flowood, east of Jackson. Was that area impacted?
No, the storm the produced the tornado stayed north of Jackson.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:40 pm to tarzana
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I have family in Starkville and also in Flowood, east of Jackson. Was that area impacted?
Have you tried contacting your family in MS instead of asking strangers in LA on a message board?
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:45 pm to Rebel
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asking strangers in LA on a message board
To be quite honest I just now found out about the tornado!
This message board is quite valuable in that other than the LSU baseball games, I've been oblivious to outside media all day long! This message board can be one's connection to the world
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