re: As more come out about this Andrew Tate fellow, he really is a POS.

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Good summary. He’s like the douchebag version of Jordan Peterson.

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Yeah. There are a lot of similarities there and it just shows how starved young men are for leadership and meaning in the west.

The movie is lame, but I always think of this quote:

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People want leadership, Mr. President, and in the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.

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Do you hate this dude or something?

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Not really. I only know of him because of the Tucker video and the video I posted in the OP.

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Hes the ultimate man he has changed my perspective on life. 2years ago i was opiate addicted wallowing in self pity trying to die. I was introduced to Andrew and now i have an apartment car and a gf. Without his teaching and motivation id be dead Thank u my man Andrew Tate

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That's incredibly sad on so many levels. If it's even true.

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But those women on onlyfans don't manilpulate?

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It's not either or

I doubt anyone wants to blame Tate as the originator of these ills. But feeding into a cycle that harms women which in turn harms men and in turn makes our society more vapid, meaningless, etc. isn't good

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Don’t sell Jordan short. He’s pretty douchey too

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In his own way, yes he is.

OnlyFans and the excessive sexualization of very young women for money is bad. I'm not going to pretend it's novel, but it's easier than ever and more are doing it more publicly than ever. We can argue about whether it's bad for women I guess, but think of any decent guy you know and think about whether he'd want his daughter or sister to do it. Some of that apprehension is his own shame, but some is the deeply felt belief that it's harmful to a woman he cares about and will damage her future. So I think that's probably your answer.

And even if you lack any moral/religious objection to this, I think there is a net societal negative at making vice more and more mainstream and taking away the elements of shame. In short, teen boys looking at scrambled Skinemax took work for your prurient payoff. Being able to see endless girls getting right to the things you'd otherwise work hard to access (whether pornography or IRL) is objectively a bad thing in my mind. And that doesn't begin to touch on the guys using OF and the like to substitute for real relationships. We can talk about how they're driven to this by the real world dating scene and modern women - but it's circular, our cheap, vapid society has pushed women to be like this, which in turn has pushed men to seek alternatives.

Guess what: people will put their ethics to the side when it comes to making money, even if it’s legal. Welcome to the real world. If you can’t accept that, I don’t know what else to say. We live in a dog-eat-dog world now where people want to compete to be at the top. That’s just how it is. It sucks, but it’s the reality of the world we live in now

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OnlyFans and the excessive sexualization of very young women for money is bad.

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Agree

Everyone likes prn, but the social cost is up there with drugs

I think JP is sort of aloof and weird. I was fascinated by the movement early on and the vacuum he filled, but I don't pay much attention to him anymore.

But I also don't think he's really leading men astray. I think young men who genuinely follow his advice in the way JP intends it will usually become better versions of themselves.

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That's incredibly sad on so many levels. If it's even true.

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It's sad that a guy is no longer addicted to opiates and is no longer suicidal?