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re: As more come out about this Andrew Tate fellow, he really is a POS.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:16 am to danilo
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:16 am to danilo
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How this guy become popular? First I ever heard of this guy was simply that he was a bad guy?
Society has deemed young men, men, and masculinity to be poisonous. Males have been demonized and disenfranchised all while being told they're privileged and that they shouldn't have a voice. They're alone and depressed at record rates. It's no wonder someone like this has risen in popularity.
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Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:18 am to upgrayedd
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Yeah, I'm sure that kid's parents are devastated that their son is alive and moving forward in life because of Andrew Tate
Your worship of other men is noted.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:20 am to GumboPot
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He manipulated them.
Nearly every human interaction is some form of manipulation
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:23 am to Pettifogger
What isn't mandated? To be masculine, strong and a protector? The bible tells men to be the opposite of weak in every aspect basically. Maybe I am wrong 
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:25 am to stout
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Did he force them? Did they get paid?
Lots of downvotes, no replies.
People here have made up their minds
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:25 am to upgrayedd
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Society has deemed young men, men, and masculinity to be poisonous. Males have been demonized and disenfranchised all while being told they're privileged and that they shouldn't have a voice. They're alone and depressed at record rates. It's no wonder someone like this has risen in popularity.
Add to that a log of young men have been raised by a woman their entire life and did not have a strong father figure to teach them how to be a man. It is literally the perfect cocktail for what we are seeing now. I thank God everyday my dad was/is around my whole life.
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 10:26 am
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:25 am to upgrayedd
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Society has deemed young men, men, and masculinity to be poisonous.
They don't understand human nature or behaviorism
When you block natural inclinations, they build up and explode in violent and abhorrent ways
Maybe they do understand and want a bunch of violent, angry directionless young men
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
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They don't understand human nature or behaviorism
When you block natural inclinations, they build up and explode in violent and abhorrent ways
Maybe they do understand and want a bunch of violent, angry directionless young men
They want emotional men. An emotional man is a dangerous man.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:38 am to Ricardo
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They're trying to find a new messiah. The thing is, there already is a Messiah and His message is all you need
Be your own messiah. Everyone is a spark of God with the full power of the Universe at their disposal. Walk your own path regardless of what our idiotic culture has conditioned you to be. The problem is people looking outside of themselves for guidance and direction.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:39 am to stout
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we really mad at a dude that separated idiots from their money using the allure of sex?
Did he promise something he did not deliver? If so then we should be. If not, then each individual can decide what he thinks is acceptable behavior in our society and judge his actions accordingly.
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then let's just say I don't see the reason to pearl clutch over this.
Not a fan of that term
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:40 am to GumboPot
I know very little about Tate, I watched the Tucker interview and thought, "he's not that bad of a guy"
then I watch these past videos, he appears to be a disgusting pig who has zero respect for women...
and based on what he said he does, 100% human trafficking...dude needs to be jailed
his arrogance, lust and greed is getting a dose of reality
sure hope Tucker comments about this...
then I watch these past videos, he appears to be a disgusting pig who has zero respect for women...
and based on what he said he does, 100% human trafficking...dude needs to be jailed
his arrogance, lust and greed is getting a dose of reality
sure hope Tucker comments about this...
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:47 am to suavecito80
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What isn't mandated? To be masculine, strong and a protector? The bible tells men to be the opposite of weak in every aspect basically. Maybe I am wrong
I think men should do those things. I definitely think it's a biblical mandate for a man to lead his family. But I think what leadership looks like differs and I think we've grafted a lot of other things onto manhood.
To be clear, this is from a Christian perspective. Naturally I'm inclined toward a quietly strong but authoritative brand of masculinity with most of the normal stuff included (guns, fishing, sports, stereotypical guy stuff). But if you get into clergy-centric circles, for example, there is a lot of push back there. Not declaring those things bad or arguing that mens shouldn't be like that, etc., but rejecting the trappings of all of it as inherently and biblically masculine. And I think while true, it goes overboard to the point where it often seems like the core of the Church rejects that type of overt masculinity.
I think if you look at some of the types drawn to ministry, they're often softer, more academic, etc. I think someone can be those things and not be a CFB guy who likes guns, etc. and still fulfill his biblical masculine role. But I think when you have tons and tons of those guys defining masculinity within the church, it contorts it, often unintentionally. So the Church presents (sometimes) a soft version of masculinity that isn't wrong and it's not opposed to what Christian men should be, it's just not something that is particularly recognizable or appealing to most Christian men. So they go off looking for Trump or Tate or someone else who fills that mold, and they get a pretty un-Christian variant of it.
In short - I think being a guys guy is a generally good thing and something I relate to. But I think it's likely true that the Bible doesn't demand (or necessarily instruct) that men be like that. Many of us will naturally fall into those roles, and that's ok/good provided they don't overshadow our highest calling - to love, follow and model Christ.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:52 am to upgrayedd
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Society has deemed young men, men, and masculinity to be poisonous. Males have been demonized and disenfranchised all while being told they're privileged and that they shouldn't have a voice. They're alone and depressed at record rates. It's no wonder someone like this has risen in popularity.
And western Christianity has been a female dominated and oriented space for decades.
It's not a shock protestant churches are falling apart as they were easiest for the "civil rights" crowd to dominate, turning church into a therapy/emotional experience instead of a way of life. It is wholly a female-centric event.
Ultimately people just use churches to meet other people and don't give a rip about any doctrinal aspects, which is why you often to see church membership peak for families with kids 5-12 years old and then fall off thereafter until the kids have their own kids and restart the cycle again.
The families have met, the community was formed, and they no longer need the church framework anymore.
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 10:54 am
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:01 am to Pettifogger
I see what you mean now. Like you said though everyone has a role to play. Not everyone can be a priest. Not everyone can be a warrior. Even the bible shows certain roles men play.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:04 am to genuineLSUtiger
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Be your own messiah.
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Walk your own path
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The problem is people looking outside of themselves for guidance and direction.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:08 am to LSUfan4444
The amount of human trafficking in the porn industry is astounding and it's exactly what he's doing.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:11 am to When in Rome
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He’s selling masculinity in an era that tells you masculinity is evil. So he’s countering a terrible message and providing what so many men want to hear. But he’s selling a false notion of it, and good people shouldn’t promote an immoral actor just because he’s filling a void.
Good summary.
He’s like the douchebag version of Jordan Peterson.
great summary. my kids quote him (sarcastically) and i've pointed them to JP instead. Both of them feel like their church and school both have such a feminine emphasis that they feel bad for being boys. Their youth ministers and head of school are males and good dudes, but i think we've overcorrected.
be a man, break stuff, make fart jokes, make fun of your friends' tiny peepee, be loud, wrestle. but also respect women. make your dick jokes. don't make them about or around women. masculinity is ultimately a protector above all else. if you're not using your masculinity in the way God intended, then it gets poisoned just like feminism.
I, in no way, endorse Tate under any circumstances, but we live in a culture that has tried to neuter men and he filled a void. JP tried to approach it from a friendly academic perspective and Tate approached it from a bull in the China Shop perspective.
ETA: Pettifogger phrased this better above as i was typing this.
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 11:15 am
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:14 am to 3nOut
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:17 am to LSUfan4444
Looks like that bootcamp isn't operating anymore. No way to look at any of the information.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:18 am to genuineLSUtiger
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Everyone is a spark of God with the full power of the Universe at their disposal.
What?
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