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re: Are out of state colleges worth it?
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:36 pm to greenbean
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:36 pm to greenbean
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The few Vandy grads aren't particularly successful and are socially odd.
I know a Vandy graduate who teaches junior high. I know a Nicholls grad worth around $50 million. Nicholls > Vandy!
To the OP, I've hired more college grads than I can remember. I look at all of the big state schools the same. Even for the ones who present themselves to be better than the others (UNC, UGA, UF, UT, etc.), the graduates they produce are still the same. Getting into a big state school with "higher" entrance requirements tells me you studied hard in high school and took ACT/SAT prep seriously.
If your kid wants to go to an SEC school for the experience, then that's a discussion you can have, but don't fall for the bullshite that the degree is going to be worth more. If my kids turn down TOPS, they will attend an elite school that plugs them into a network of successful people.
Two of the biggest things you need to take you as far as you want to go in your career are confidence and communication skills. For most people, this is already baked in.
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:42 pm to rltiger
Penn State? Is that a troll?
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:44 pm to Tvilletiger
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We have no option but to go out of state unless we want her at USF, UCF
I think USF and UCF are terrific options at Florida in-state prices, especially with the State of Florida Bright Futures scholarship. USF recently became an AAU institution. Georgia can't say the same.
Don't feel bad about your daughter not being able to get into UF. Getting into the top state flagships at the most populated states (Texas, Florida, etc.) is a complete bloodbath. Kids with SATs in the upper 1400s, and sometimes into the 1500s, sometimes get rejected from UF. There were kids this year with SATs in the mid-1500s (I even saw a 1570 kid) who got rejected from CS, Engineering and Business at Texas (they were auto-admits to the school, but that doesn't give you certain majors). People without college aged kids have no idea how insane college admissions have become.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:47 pm to TigahsOnTop
My experience as someone who went to a top public high school in the Chicago burbs and then LSU for undergrad
The top 10% of students at LSU blow away your median student at a U of Iowa or Indiana U
The top 10% of students at LSU blow away your median student at a U of Iowa or Indiana U
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:48 pm to TC Kidd
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Not getting shot at a railroad crossing would make it worth to me.
I've said it before on here and here goes again my wife and I both graduated from LSU in the 90's and it was never a consideration for our 2 kids. Plus, scholarships seem to be more abundant at other schools especially out of state. Mississippi and Alabama are pretty generous.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:55 pm to Tvilletiger
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This my daughter cannot get into UF living here in Florida. She has good grades and good test scores but not great. There are kids in her grade (one of the best public school) in Florida with great grades and test scores not getting in. We have no option but to go out of state unless we want her at USF, UCF, or UNF. We are looking all around the south and have a few places we have targeted further away.
Florida, and FSU to an extent, are insanely hard to get into these days. My daughter was rejected from UF, but was accepted to Georgetown, Colgate, Swarthmore, Carleton, and Davidson.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:23 pm to Ten Bears
Happened to my daughter many years ago in Georgia. UGA turned her down but she had been accepted at Georgia Tech three weeks before. She and her mother kept the Tech thing a secret cause I would have said screw Dawgs earlier. No one knew about UGA turning her down and there was no reason to tell anyone, but I told a couple of friends and they couldn’t believe it. Her personality and work acumen ? have made her an all star in life, neither of which can be taught .
My son qualified for UGA and Tech and just about every school in Ga. Chose Ga College and State University and excelled. Computer science. Totally different personality from daughter. The faculty we spoke to were overwhelmed by the quality of students they were getting and never would have seen without the Hope scholarship . A rising tide lifts all boats.
Just my experience
My son qualified for UGA and Tech and just about every school in Ga. Chose Ga College and State University and excelled. Computer science. Totally different personality from daughter. The faculty we spoke to were overwhelmed by the quality of students they were getting and never would have seen without the Hope scholarship . A rising tide lifts all boats.
Just my experience
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:33 pm to TigahsOnTop
If you’re in an over populated state like Texas or Florida then yes out of state is worth it.
For example if you’re near Houston just go to LSU or OU.
For example if you’re near Houston just go to LSU or OU.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:40 pm to skullhawk
quote:wait until you find out this is not as easy as you think it is.
If my kids turn down TOPS, they will attend an elite school that plugs them into a network of successful people.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:53 pm to JimTiger72
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With the same major? Nope
no employer has ever cared where I got my degree from
I'll give a direct example. If someone is going to be an attorney and is interested in the ~$250k starting salary offered by Biglaw then they pretty much have to graduate from a T-14 law school to even get interviewed. In the last 15 years my firm has only interviewed 5 or 6 non-T14 applicants and only one of them was offered a position and they were a non-traditional student with an engineering degree and work experience relevant to one of our departments. While you can get into a T-14 law school from a state school it isn't easy. Schools are often about getting your foot in the door and it is important for some jobs and not so important for other jobs.
A lot of people can learn as much from the public library as they can in college but there are certain levels of certain jobs that are almost impossible to get if you don't have the right college credentials.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:00 pm to TigahsOnTop
In Louisiana, I would say the value of being plugged into society is worth as much as the degree itself.
With that in mind, I am encouraging both of my kids to go to college out of state in the hopes they won't be stuck in Louisiana the rest of their lives with our horrible taxes, insurance, and economy.
With that in mind, I am encouraging both of my kids to go to college out of state in the hopes they won't be stuck in Louisiana the rest of their lives with our horrible taxes, insurance, and economy.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:10 pm to TigahsOnTop
Nope.
I understand the kids wanting to get away and do their own thing but out of state tuition is a colossal waste of money.
No one ever factors in travel back and forth through the years etc. It adds up and the piece of paper wont be looked at any differently from an employer.
I understand the kids wanting to get away and do their own thing but out of state tuition is a colossal waste of money.
No one ever factors in travel back and forth through the years etc. It adds up and the piece of paper wont be looked at any differently from an employer.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:11 pm to slinger1317
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With that in mind, I am encouraging both of my kids to go to college out of state in the hopes they won't be stuck in Louisiana the rest of their lives with our horrible taxes, insurance, and economy.
That’s the value I see in out of state schools, gets them out of Louisiana
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:14 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Almost all State Universities offer some form of reciprocity tuition for students from neighboring states or states in a region that allows those students to pay in state or slightly higher in state tuition than a "traditional" out of state student.
Meh. I can tell you from direct experience that it's still way cheaper to stay in state even in these cases, at least for kids coming from Louisiana or Georgia where you have something like TOPS or HOPE to cover a large portion of in-state tuition.
I sent a kid to a neighboring state flagship U because she was enamored with it and they offered an out-of-state-tuition-forgiveness thing. It took off 90% of their OOS tuition portion. Trouble is, you still pay 10% of it and 100% of the regular tuition and fees. Compare that to going to LSU and getting a nice big TOPS discount, plus any other academic scholarship LSU tosses in.
LSU winds up being less than half the cost.
She actually has transferred back in state, is going to a private college (where we get TOPS) and with the school's scholarship she's going for free except for housing.
Btw, I agree with pretty much everything SneezyBeltranIsHere has said on here.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:22 pm to TigahsOnTop
Daughter 25. Threeish years out of LSU. Zero student loans. Landed a good job in Fort Worth and great job in San Francisco. 100% self-sufficient. If you are going to incur debt to do this, then no way IMO.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:30 pm to SneezyBeltranIsHere
If money is the motivating factor, he will make FAR more on Wall Street. As in 10x or more over time. IP plaintiffs litigators can do very well but it requires a love of conflict and an entrepreneurial streak. AI is going to commoditize a lot of bread and butter IP law work.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:32 pm to TigahsOnTop
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How good does the school have to be to make out of state tuition worth it rather than going to LSU or another in state school. For a major that is useful such as pre med, finance, etc.
Not sure if it’s still this way, but The University of Arkansas @ Monticello waves out of state tuition for bordering states. Only 1.5 hours north of Monroe. Yes it’s not a fancy big school. I know a lot of Physicians that have premed there. May be worth a look.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:33 pm to TigahsOnTop
Want to be a Partner at a big 4 accounting firm and make tons of money?
Southeastern works just as well as Northwestern
Want to be investment banking?
Better get in to a top 5 MBA program
For the most part it really doesn’t matter where you do undergrad. However, some of the random connections you can make at elite schools could set you up for life
Southeastern works just as well as Northwestern
Want to be investment banking?
Better get in to a top 5 MBA program
For the most part it really doesn’t matter where you do undergrad. However, some of the random connections you can make at elite schools could set you up for life
Posted on 2/20/24 at 3:42 pm to TigahsOnTop
If a student establishes residency in the state of the out-of-state college, does out-of-state tuition apply? I need to know as all of my kiddos will be leaving this sinking shithole for college.
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