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re: antifa damage not covered?
Posted on 9/27/20 at 7:36 pm to TigerstuckinMS
Posted on 9/27/20 at 7:36 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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Riot is a commonly excluded peril for insurance
It is uncommon for it to be excluded. That’s not to say it won’t be uncommon for long.
Insurance Info Institute
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Property damage caused by riot, civil commotion and vandalism are generally covered under standard auto, business, and homeowners insurance policies.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 7:41 pm to Keltic Tiger
That's not considered an act of god?
Posted on 9/27/20 at 7:42 pm to Keltic Tiger
There’s often an exemption for riots and such. Many of these claims will not be paid.
I hope these stupid bastards enjoy their communities turning into ghost towns.
I hope these stupid bastards enjoy their communities turning into ghost towns.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 8:01 pm to Anonymous95
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Property damage caused by riot, civil commotion and vandalism are generally covered under standard auto, business, and homeowners insurance policies.
That’s glossy wording written by the insurance companies that make up the Insurance Information Institute. It CAN be covered on a BOP IF you purchase the additional rider. There is a form signed when you get the policy where you select that you either want the additional quotes for coverage or understand that by declining it acts of terrorism are excluded.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 8:07 pm to DabosDynasty
Acts of Terrorism and Riot are two different things. I linked the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act in an earlier post.
An insurance company can’t just say something is an act of terror and deny a claim. There is a detailed process that the federal government must follow and the feds must certify that something is an act of terror before insurance companies can deny coverage (assuming terrorism coverage was rejected by the insured).
There’s no “glossy wording”, just go read your homeowners policy and if there is an exclusion for riot, you’re not covered but I promise that the vast majority of your policies won’t have it....BOPs either.
An insurance company can’t just say something is an act of terror and deny a claim. There is a detailed process that the federal government must follow and the feds must certify that something is an act of terror before insurance companies can deny coverage (assuming terrorism coverage was rejected by the insured).
There’s no “glossy wording”, just go read your homeowners policy and if there is an exclusion for riot, you’re not covered but I promise that the vast majority of your policies won’t have it....BOPs either.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 8:28 pm to Anonymous95
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An insurance company can’t just say something is an act of terror and deny a claim. There is a detailed process that the federal government must follow and the feds must certify that something is an act of terror before insurance companies can deny coverage
POTUS publicly stated he wanted ANTIFA labeled as a terror group back in May and has now proposed a bill that formally includes the designation. I’m sure insurance companies have dragged out investigations, probably quite easily seeing as how these goons are still actively looting and destroying property on a nightly basis in these cities, hoping for the terror designation and a legal fight on covering losses.
This post was edited on 9/27/20 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 9/27/20 at 8:56 pm to Anonymous95
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since Riot and Vandalism are standard covered perils in most policies.
Are they? I really don’t know.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 9:01 pm to go ta hell ole miss
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They’ll find a reason to deny coverage.
That’s all they do. frick insurance companies
Posted on 9/27/20 at 9:06 pm to Anonymous95
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Property damage caused by riot, civil commotion and vandalism are generally covered under standard auto, business, and homeowners insurance policies.
I would think that it wouldn't be a big argument if the rioting and vandalism was mitigated and gotten under control. When half of a large city is on fire, insurance could probably argue against it more as arson. What would stop a shop owner from going and torching his own place in the middle of all this for the insurance and then they just leave anyway.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 9:10 pm to Keltic Tiger
Are these insurance companies also donating to BLM? Are they reimagining their workforce?
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:04 pm to Keltic Tiger
It all depends on what the policy says. Insurance policies are just contracts. The only difference from an ordinary contract relevant here is that if the policy is ambiguous, then the language will be interpreted in favor of the insured.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:36 pm to Keltic Tiger
The exclusions kick in for acts of war or terrorism. These need to be officially declared by congress.
General “rioting” should be covered under a standard ISO form.
General “rioting” should be covered under a standard ISO form.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:40 pm to Keltic Tiger
Probably because Soros paid them all off.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:00 pm to 632627
the cards are stacked against the small business owner. property taxes and insurance will be required payments through the multiyear settlement process. the mortgage company will be a dominant partner in the settlement getting there share taken care of first. County will want the property cleared immediately for big bucks. inventory and equipment will be paper nitemares to value. if the business has a an opportunity separately to declare bankruptcy and have the owner walk away that is a very attractive option. during the several year settlement process the business will generate no income for the owner. far more attractive to start over again with a new job/venture. interesting to note that any insurance payment is an offset to fema disaster assistance
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:03 pm to Keltic Tiger
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standard exclusion of damages caused by of Acts of War.
Yep. That clause is in all property insurance contracts. I’m assuming the company is calling it an insurrection/acts of war.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:06 pm to Anonymous95
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I suppose they can “deny” a claim for any reason but I’d be shocked if it held up in court since Riot and Vandalism are standard covered perils in most policies.
This. You’re absolutely correct. The insurance is trying to get out of paying hundreds of millions by calling it insurrection/war. They will probably lose on court. But how many insureds have deep enough pockets to fight the insurance companies lawyers? You know they will file motion after motion to delay trial and beat the plaintiffs through attrition.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:19 pm to go ta hell ole miss
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They’ll find a reason to deny coverage.
Stock answer from someone who does not know what he is talking aout. Claims are denied because there are specific exclusions. Some policies have standard exclusions which can be removed by certain endorsements or riders at an increased premium.
Claims are not denied because insurers are trying to game anyone. There are sometimes dispute over whether a certain loss fits within the covered perils and sometimes the issue may need to be determined by the courts. Most of the time there is jurisprudence which would guide carriers on whether to cover or deny. Befor eyou make a blanke judgment take time to review a policy and determine whether the loss fits under the policy or whether there is an exclusion.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:32 pm to tigersbb
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Claims are not denied because insurers are trying to game anyone.
lol
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:42 pm to Anonymous95
Haven't read a commercial insurance policy in ages but I think there used to be an exclusion for Civil Unrest, which would be the legal name for SJW riots. May be wrong though
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