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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:42 am to N2cars
He once asserted that when Mary gave birth to Jesus, she did not give birth to God, but rather gave birth to Jesus in his humanity and that "it's heretical to call the blood of Jesus Christ the blood of God."
Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:46 am to bayoubengals88
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Uh, no. Reformed soteriology is like 20% of reformed theology.
I didn't say theology.
Soteriology is like 99% of Christianity.
Anyway, "Is John McArthur reformed" is probably a top 5 debate in Reformed Christianity over the last two decades meaning he is, in fact, a giant figure in the realm.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:59 am to bayoubengals88
We've lost a good pne.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 11:15 am to Chuck Barris
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Unless I'm misunderstanding what "Lordship salvation" is (not a term we use in the church I attend), I don't see how it's controversial.
Is anybody out there really preaching that you can be saved if you're baptized but then don't try to live as a servant of Christ?
Many people/churches associate "lordship salvation" with works based salvation and preach only free grace. I am on the side of lordship salvation but am in the vast minority in my Baptist church.
Couldn't disagree more with Calvinism.
This post was edited on 7/15/25 at 11:17 am
Posted on 7/15/25 at 11:21 am to 3nOut
Someone just posted the “stupid question” video I was talking about. Lol.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 11:31 am to RandySavage
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Couldn't disagree more with Calvinism.
So, you’ve studied the Institutes in detail and have specific objections regarding his views on the absolute sovereignty of God? Or just don’t like a straw man version? Honest question because most are of the latter persuasion.
I hold things in mystery and tension, but God is not God if we are in control.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 11:35 am to RandySavage
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Couldn't disagree more with Calvinism.
it was a big debate amongst my friends when i was in college. The heavy Calvinist crowd were acolytes of MacArthur, Piper, and Mohler (who I like and agree with most often.)
i ended up at a 4 point Calvinist where most reformed Baptists and Presbyterians would think I'm a liberal heretic and Armenians would consider me a rigid unrelenting holier than thou a-hole.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 11:42 am to McLemore
I've done a fair amount of reading on the topic but wouldn't be bold enough to classify myself as an expert. It simply doesn't make any logical sense to me. If our path is already decided before we are born everything is pointless.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 11:52 am to RandySavage
quote:I had to look up what "free grace" and "lordship salvation" mean in this context. I've never agreed with the eternal security aspect of free grace, and I'm much more aligned with lordship salvation (as far as I understand it).
Many people/churches associate "lordship salvation" with works based salvation and preach only free grace.
I hope nobody's out there teaching that we're saved by our own merits, but I've always found arguments that good works are entirely a natural outcome of saving faith very tiresome.
This post was edited on 7/15/25 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 7/15/25 at 11:56 am to bayoubengals88
A real Pastor.....unlike Swaggart.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 12:05 pm to RandySavage
MacArthur was most definitely "lordship". He was the movement's posterchild. And he was so very wrong.
Grace isn't free. Christ paid the price in full.
Your sins, and mine, are forgiven. There's nothing you can do about it other than trust that Christ's faith is your faith.
I'm totally Lutheran on grace, which is to say utterly "offensive and perverse", as Steven Paulson says. I also love the stance of Mockingbird too, though Anglican. Dave Zahl, Paul Zahl, Jason Micheli, Sarah Condon, Todd Brewer, Aaron Zimmerman, etc. ...they really understand grace.
Grace isn't free. Christ paid the price in full.
Your sins, and mine, are forgiven. There's nothing you can do about it other than trust that Christ's faith is your faith.
I'm totally Lutheran on grace, which is to say utterly "offensive and perverse", as Steven Paulson says. I also love the stance of Mockingbird too, though Anglican. Dave Zahl, Paul Zahl, Jason Micheli, Sarah Condon, Todd Brewer, Aaron Zimmerman, etc. ...they really understand grace.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 12:08 pm to bayoubengals88
I've never understood how a Calvinist could also be a proponent of lordship salvation. They seem contradictory to me.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 12:09 pm to bayoubengals88
I've never heard of him until now.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 12:12 pm to RandySavage
quote:ding! ding! ding!
I've never understood how a Calvinist could also be a proponent of lordship salvation. They seem contradictory to me.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 1:19 pm to Chuck Barris
quote:Isn't that what defines the Reformed Baptist movement as opposed to Freewill Baptists?
he considered himself Baptist while also affirming the basic doctrines of Calvinism.
I have a friend who is a retired Reformed Baptist preacher and that was my understanding.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 1:25 pm to Bridget O
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Christianity Today is a joke. Read with caution anything they print.
You know what the drunks told Jesus?
You keep dropping that cross and they are going to kick you out of this parade.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 1:57 pm to Rabby
quote:Reformed Baptists actually follow a confession, namely the 1689 London Baptist Confession. And yes, they are Calvinists in their doctrine of salvation.
Isn't that what defines the Reformed Baptist movement as opposed to Freewill Baptists?
I have a friend who is a retired Reformed Baptist preacher and that was my understanding.
Freewill Baptists are statistically insignificant and are different from Reformed Baptists in many ways.
You may be referring to Southern Baptists, which are a mix of Calvinists and Arminians, Arminian meaning they do not believe in the doctrines of election and predestination as the Reformed Baptists do.
Reformed Baptists state that salvation, faith and all that goes with it, is all of God. The more Arminian leaning baptists believe in human cooperation with the divine will. So that faith, is more of a human decision given the belief that our will is only harmed by sin, not killed by it.
This post was edited on 7/15/25 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 7/15/25 at 2:14 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Me too. I've got several Nest thermostats.
MacArthur was a borderline heretic. He preached views that leaned heavily into Nestorianism.
Given them as gifts too.
Try one.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 2:18 pm to Rize
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I have no idea who that is.
Someone burning in Hades.
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