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Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:38 am to windshieldman
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Not saying you are wrong but do you have a link to this?
Look up the Shayrat Airbase missile strike. It is the first official incident between the USG and the Syrian government.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:40 am to Scruffy
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The only people who “seemed” to support pulling out of those areas were the “conservative” supporters/Trump supporters.
That's not true. The "anti-imperialist" left is but a small group in reality, but they've been vocal in the media.
Trump was led astray on the Iran issue, which is the place where most of the foreign policy establishment disagreed. Otherwise, he went along with the status quo for the most part.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:43 am to member12
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:43 am to OMLandshark
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people fighting in the Middle East.
Not really. The region was relatively peaceful under the Ottomans. The inciting incident was the 2003 Iraq War. Before then, between the end of WWII and 2002, there were something like 48 civil conflicts, resulting in around 2.5 million deaths. Since the 2003 war, there have been around 24 civil conflicts, resulting in the same number of deaths. People don't remember who made up the opposition to the 2003 Iraq War, but Republicans and conservatives were certainly gung-ho about it. The side effects of the Iraq War are going to last a long time too, and the US establishment is going to actively suppress any view that suggests the Iraq War was utterly terrible in the long and short term.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:45 am to Breauxsif
Damn it Joe, you missed the target badly. DC isn't in the middle east.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:49 am to Scruffy
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 9:41 am
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:53 am to crazy4lsu
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Look up the Shayrat Airbase missile strike. It is the first official incident between the USG and the Syrian government.
Gotcha, correct, I was thinking it had something to do with an airbase
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:53 am to member12
I will admit i don’t know enough about why we are bombing Syria to have an opinion either way. But, to me it’s interesting that they have manipulated us into arguing over bullshite while quietly dropping bombs across the world.
ETA i’m paying attention now. Actions, not words, are what’s to be believed.
ETA i’m paying attention now. Actions, not words, are what’s to be believed.
This post was edited on 2/26/21 at 11:00 am
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:55 am to sacrathetic
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In addition, Salmon is being deliberately misleading by leaving out a lot of info. He mentioned that Trump bombed Syria in 2017 and 2018....but what about 2019 and 2020? Trump was very naive in the early years of his presidency, and he was pushed by warhawks to do things he probably wouldn't have normally done.
Also, why doesn't Salmon and others like him bring up the fact that the bureaucrats in the Pentagon LIED to Trump about the numbers of troops in Syria so that he wouldn't pull them out?
poor Trump just an innocent victim
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:57 am to member12
It didn't take the Neocons in control long to start a new war after Trump left
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:59 am to Salmon
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poor Trump
just an innocent victim
It is hilarious. Trump is somehow this noble and peaceful president, who was going to end all wars until the big bad Pentagon interceded. Sounds like he was feckless and weak in that respect. Also coincidentally, let's pretend that these Syrian bombings under Biden are "new" while ignoring the fact that we bombed Syria under Trump too. Trump was as much a part of the FP orthodoxy as any American president. He differed in one respect, troops in Syria, and apparently was so weak he was overruled by the Pentagon.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 11:03 am to Rick9Plus
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I will admit i don’t know enough about why we are bombing Syria to have an opinion either way. But, to me it’s interesting that they have manipulated us into arguing over bullshite while quietly dropping bombs across the world.
U.S gov't along with countries like SA and others wanted Assad out of power. They basically hired, armed, and trained "mercenaries" to do the fighting for them instead of using our own troops to go into Syria. There were several different groups and some groups that were once our enemies under new names became our "allies" HTS for example. ISIS formed and starting taking over these groups and many from these smaller mercenary groups we armed and funded fled and joined ISIS which got bigger.
Instead of going after Assad they went after the Kurds in Syria and before you know it, Kobane due to incredible marketing and live online actions of Kurds defending it became world wide media storm. We started sending air power to help them defend Kobane, soon after we started adding more and more troops into Syria, that's where we are at now.
A few years ago Trump tried to withdraw troops from Syria and progressives and RINOS started pretending they were upset about it, saying we are leaving our allies unprotected. The problem is, Syrian Kurds have never been our allies, Iraqi Kurds however are. There were actually riots in Iraqi Kurd area about them sending their own troops to help Kobane as Iraqi and Syrian Kurds don't tend to like each other. But for whatever reason RINOS and white progressives believe our American troops should be killed defending Syrian Kurds who they themselves launch terrorist attacks in Turkey also killing women and children.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 11:05 am to Mike da Tigah
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The Swampy War Hawks are back in power.
Funny how Trump gave us 4 years of no new wars, but the minute on of the swamp creatures takes office, we are back to war again.
Trump was supposed to be crazy psycho man who will destroy the world and nuke everyone!!
Posted on 2/26/21 at 11:19 am to crazy4lsu
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The problem is that Israel cannot handle it
Reminder: ISIS apologized to Israel when they accidentally attacked some IDF troops. I think Israel will have no issue finding support ($$$) from non-traditional allies, especially with how many groups and countries dislike Iran.
Let Israel figure it out, survival of the fittest.
This post was edited on 2/26/21 at 11:19 am
Posted on 2/26/21 at 11:23 am to crazy4lsu
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Look up the Shayrat Airbase missile strike. It is the first official incident between the USG and the Syrian government.
Read: Openly admitted. Posted on 2/26/21 at 11:24 am to crazy4lsu
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Trump was as much a part of the FP orthodoxy as any American president.
Meh. Not really.
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Sounds like he was feckless and weak
Yes.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 11:25 am to Breauxsif
The sooner people realize the President (whether Obama or Trump or Biden or whoever is next) has almost no say in these operations, the better we will be.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 11:25 am to Mo Jeaux
Yeah you and I know that. The unfortunate truth for the CIA is that Iran is better at organizing proxy groups in the region than the US. Who knew that pushing anti-Shia rhetoric would backfire?
Still, the direct action represents an escalation. Assad said he appreciated Trump's transparency in that regard.
Still, the direct action represents an escalation. Assad said he appreciated Trump's transparency in that regard.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 11:28 am to Mo Jeaux
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Meh. Not really.
He was. The only place he notably differed was troops in Syria. Otherwise he espoused Neo-con orthodoxy with regard to Iran. His China policy, with respect to the South China Sea, was the same as the FP orthodoxy as well.
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