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re: Am I the only one who thinks this new City of SG is turning into a large cluster frick?
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:02 pm to Trapped in time
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:02 pm to Trapped in time
quote:Currently the EBR School System (EBRSS) taxes are parish wide except for Baker, Zachary and Central which have their own school systems and their own school system taxes. (Zachary and Central increased their school taxes by about 50% over what their taxes were when they were in the EBRSS. Baker's voters voted down a school tax increase.)
I’m still trying to figure out the ramifications of St. George, but it appears they don’t want to pay taxes to the parish, but still want to attend the better (magnet) parish schools.
StG citizens will continue to pay the EBRSS taxes until or unless they set up a new independent school system at which time they would stop paying school taxes to EBR and have to initiate their own school system taxes.
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:11 pm to HouseMom
quote:You're right!
54% of the people in SG voted for this
does not mean
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that means 46% voted against it too.
Only about 20% of the residents of St George (17,422 out of 86,000) voted to incorporate a new city. That means about 80% of its residents didn't vote in favor of it.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:16 pm to Shepherd
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If people in SG believe we’re not about to have to pay more in taxes (property; sales), I got some oceanfront property in Arizona for sale you may be interested in.
I’m never for “paying more in taxes” but it’s a bit less painful if you actually get to see the benefit of the taxes you pay.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:17 pm to LSURussian
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That means about 80% of its residents didn't vote in favor of it
Or you could say 80+% didn’t vote against it.
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:18 pm to Capitalist
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Seems like they ready to start hitting property owners with real strict property regulations and lawsuits.
You figured out our secret plan! Non-stop lawsuits and excess regulations, the hallmarks of conservative governments, just like they have in Zachary, Central, and Baker. Gah, foiled again!
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:22 pm to Capitalist
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I support an Independent School District (ISD) - but not willing to raise more taxes. We have enough taxes already that should be paying for an ISD.
Well you can’t create an isd without the city so sounds like you support St George! Congratulations!
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:28 pm to LSURussian
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Anybody know what happens if the StG voters vote down the proposition? (There might be just enough low information voters who believe the 2% sales tax transfer is actually a new, additional sales tax so they vote no. )
It’s a good question
The mayor and the alderman and the transition committee need to get out in front of it and explains things. The media here will not. They are still saying that SG broke off, etc. They still listen to MOP and the mayor for talking points.
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In either case, how will StG fund its operations since the 2% sales tax was the largest funding source in their budget?
They can not. They are counting on the 2% funding the city.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:35 pm to TBoy
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On the other hand, the vision of St. George as a better municipality separate from EBR means that money will have to be spent. A lot of money. And that means significantly higher taxes for the build. While this isn't an increase, an increase will have to come.
You are way off here.
I submit to you that SG businesses are collecting around 50 million dollars in sales taxes that go into the parish general fund. I seriously doubt half of that returns to SG in the form of services that the City of SG is obliged to pay.
I believe simply using the extra dollars to provide better services in SG will not cost any more tax dollars.
Don’t forget that SG isn’t going to build and maintain parks, EMS, fire stations, Mosquitto control, libraries, major roads, sewer infrastructure, and water distribution systems.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:41 pm to Trapped in time
quote:m
I’m still trying to figure out the ramifications of St. George, but it appears they don’t want to pay taxes to the parish, but still want to attend the better (magnet) parish schools.
You are mixing apples and oranges.
The EBRSS operates as a separate entity and neither the city of BR, or the EBR Paridh government funds or operates it.
The City of SG is not in the school business.
However, SG civic leaders who pushed hard and got the city started want to eventually form their own ISD as did Bakers, Zachary and Central did. An ISD would only be in the school budiness.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:42 pm to 3nOut
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I’m never for “paying more in taxes” but it’s a bit less painful if you actually get to see the benefit of the taxes you pay.
That’s the winning attitude for building out a new town. The people within St. George should be able to see their municipal buildings go up and their services improve. Taxes can be properly used to build a common wealth, when local government is efficient and honest.
This is the opportunity here.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:44 pm to LSURussian
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Only about 20% of the residents of St George (17,422 out of 86,000) voted to incorporate a new city. That means about 80% of its residents didn't vote in favor of it.
Many of the citizens of SG are too young to vote, or they aren’t registered to vote. From what I read there are about 55K registered voters in SG.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:59 pm to LSURussian
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Only about 20% of the residents of St George (17,422 out of 86,000) voted to incorporate a new city. That means about 80% of its residents didn't vote in favor of it.
They made their choice to go with whatever won.
I also doubt every person in StG is a registered and legal voter.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:01 pm to 3nOut
quote:You could say that but you'd be wrong if you did.
Or you could say 80+% didn’t vote against it.
Of the 86,000 residents of StG, 14,871 of them DID vote against incorporation.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:07 pm to doubleb
quote:So there are 31,000 residents of StG who aren't registered to vote? That doesn't pass the sniff test.
From what I read there are about 55K registered voters in SG.
But assuming you're correct, it still means less than 1 out of 3 (32%) of the registered voters voted in favor of incorporating.
Not exactly an overwhelming mandate, is it?
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:10 pm to Capitalist
Hey MOP! Nice try, trash lady. Your stupid posts are nothing more than rabble rousing sour grapes. Don’t worry about SG, we’ll be just fine.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:13 pm to fr33manator
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Can St. George annex things back?
I’m wondering if the businesses who annexed, when they’re waiting forever for BRPD to show up and work a shooting will regret their decision. Had they not left, they could have called EBRSO or the newly formed SGPD. Now they’re left up to whatever spares BR feels like sending.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:13 pm to LSURussian
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So there are 31,000 residents of StG who aren't registered to vote? That doesn't pass the sniff test.
That was the rough figure published way back when. I didn’t make it up.
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But assuming you're correct, it still means less than 1 out of 3 (32%) of the registered voters voted in favor of incorporating.
That’s the society we live in, thousands fail to vote. And no, it’s not a huge endorsement, but considering all the circumstances against the city, I was happy we won.
You had the major media outlets, the mayor, the city hall crowd and the race baiters all against. You also had magnet school parents and relatives against.
ETA for a rough comparison
2020 EBR Parish population 456,781
EBR registered voters per SOS in Dec 2020
300,722.
Using EBR parish as a base, only about 66% of the citizenship are registered voters.
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:15 pm to Walter White Jr
When you look at reasons why St. George was created to begin with then yes it’s a clusterfrick but Good luck with the morons that started this
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:50 pm to Capitalist
It's going to be the 5th or 6th largest city from jump. I would imagine it's going to be a massive cluster at first... just because they are doing something that is rare, and on a massive scale.
I still think having a division with the city of BR is a good thing for them. As far as taxes, if it's true that they are subsidizing the city of BR, then taxes should not be an issue.
I would expect property taxes won't go down, they are cheap, relatively speaking, as it is, and will be very helpful when it comes time to form a school district.
As far as Heck, I'm not a fan of his but he does have experience with government and that's important now. When the first elections are held, he can be thrown out if needed.
I still think having a division with the city of BR is a good thing for them. As far as taxes, if it's true that they are subsidizing the city of BR, then taxes should not be an issue.
I would expect property taxes won't go down, they are cheap, relatively speaking, as it is, and will be very helpful when it comes time to form a school district.
As far as Heck, I'm not a fan of his but he does have experience with government and that's important now. When the first elections are held, he can be thrown out if needed.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:50 pm to Giantkiller
quote:Those areas have been part of Baton Rouge for a 2 or 3 years now. Have you heard about any of them who "regret" their decision? I haven't.
I’m wondering if the businesses who annexed, when they’re waiting forever for BRPD to show up and work a shooting will regret their decision.
quote:According to the incorporation organizers they don't plan on forming a "SGPD."
Had they not left, they could have called EBRSO or the newly formed SGPD.
The new city has to have a police chief because that's a Louisiana state constitutional requirement for every city in the state.
But the StG police chief is not going to be a patrol officer but will only act as a liaison with the EBR Sheriff's deputies who patrol StG.
Currently there are 24 patrol sheriff deputies assigned to the single substation located within the StG city limits, or 8 patrol deputies per shift covering an area of 60 square miles for 86,000 residents which comes to 1 sheriff's deputy for every 3,583 residents and .4 sheriff deputies per square mile.
By comparison there are 700 allotted uniform police officers working out of 5 police precincts plus the city police main office on Airline Hwy patrolling 86.3 square miles and 219,573 residents, which comes out to 1 police officer for every 314 residents and 8 police officers per square mile.
The newly appointed officials have already said they are going to request the sheriff to add additional patrol deputies for which the sheriff has said "Sure, I can do that. But it's going to cost you..."
No amount has been agreed upon that I've seen. doubleb is pretty well versed on StG happenings so maybe he knows how much it's going to cost the city for the newly added patrol deputies.
But just to bring the number of deputies up to the number of BRPD officers based on population the sheriff is going to have to add approximately 250 additional deputies or if the same ratio of deputies per square mile as Baton Rouge has is desired, the sheriff will have to add approximately 450 additional deputies.
But no new taxes will be needed...
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