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Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:33 am to LNCHBOX
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Instead, they get people like Salmon questioning it.
what?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:34 am to thegreatboudini
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You're becoming as bad a poster as paige and cork soaker on here.
Someone's mad.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:34 am to The Dog Next Door
quote:don't be lazy. Is been posted 10x in this thread.
OK so what is this guy's criminal record, other than the carnal knowledge charge?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:34 am to meauxjeaux2
the short video does leave some questions, but if you look at the current facts of the situation I don't see the cops getting charged. Looks like they gave him every chance to comply.
He could have had a phone in his pocket. At this point in the situation if he was going for his phone (i know he wasn't) cops can light him up.
they have to protect themselves..
he could have had an AR15 with banana clip and the BLM people would be still trying to start riots. They don't care about the facts.
He could have had a phone in his pocket. At this point in the situation if he was going for his phone (i know he wasn't) cops can light him up.
they have to protect themselves..
he could have had an AR15 with banana clip and the BLM people would be still trying to start riots. They don't care about the facts.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:34 am to Salmon
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what?
Were you not questioning why they didn't just go in with guns drawn?
I know it was you
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:34 am to slackster
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No, no he didn't deserve to die. The cops were likely justified in shooting him because they don't know his intentions, but we don't know his intentions either, and if they weren't deadly, then death isn't a consequence he deserved.
Y'all have followed this case a lot more closely than I have, so forgive any ignorance I exhibit below:
Mr. Sterling did have a gun, and it's not clear from the video whether he was actually reaching for it. But, the officer says as much. Unless we see video showing otherwise, it's hard to prove the officer didn't in fact see Mr. Sterling reach for a gun. There has to be evidence to contradict the officer's statement. I think that would be difficult to find.
Also, if Mr. Sterling did in fact reach for a gun, officers are trained to use lethal force in those situations. You'll be surprised how a shot can go off in someone's pocket. He could have shot through his own pants and hit an innocent bystander, or the officers.
I don't know about "deserving to die", but from the limited things I saw in the video (and, again, please forgive my ignorance), it's hard to see how the officers didn't do their job.
This board knows I'm far from a being a "bootlicker". I criticize the actions of LEOs whenever those criticisms are warranted. But, we have to step back and realize that we don't hire police officers to play nice. They are trained to take down nasty people, and that's what you want them to do. Now, they should follow the law, and they shouldn't play judge, jury, and executioner just because they have a badge and a gun. However, there are instances, such as when a suspect tries to use a gun, where they do have to act in a really nasty way. It sucks, but it's what we, as a society, have agreed is the appropriate course of action.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:35 am to SabiDojo
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Mr. Sterling did have a gun, and it's not clear from the video whether he was actually reaching for it. But, the officer says as much. Unless we see video showing otherwise, it's hard to prove the officer didn't in fact see Mr. Sterling reach for a gun. There has to be evidence to contradict the officer's statement. I think that would be difficult to find.
Also, if Mr. Sterling did in fact reach for a gun, officers are trained to use lethal force in those situations. You'll be surprised how a shot can go off in someone's pocket. He could have shot through his own pants and hit an innocent bystander, or the officers.
I don't know about "deserving to die", but from the limited things I saw in the video (and, again, please forgive my ignorance), it's hard to see how the officers didn't do their job.
This board knows I'm far from a being a "bootlicker". I criticize the actions of LEOs whenever those criticisms are warranted. But, we have to step back and realize that we don't hire police officers to play nice. They are trained to take down nasty people, and that's what you want them to do. Now, they should follow the law, and they shouldn't play judge, jury, and executioner just because they have a badge and a gun. However, there are instances, such as when a suspect tries to use a gun, where they do have to act in a really nasty way. It sucks, but it's what we, as a society, have agreed is the appropriate course of action.
Perfectly stated, and means a lot coming from you IMO.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:36 am to LNCHBOX
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Were you not questioning why they didn't just go in with guns drawn?
no it was a question to y'all
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:36 am to Salmon
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most definitely
I'm probably not cut out to be a cop, but if the dispatcher is telling me I'm responding to a 911 call about him threatening someone with a gun...I'm not going near him until I know he's unable to access his weapon.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:36 am to LNCHBOX
My feet are propped up on my desk and I'm watching squirrels fight outside. Believe me I am far from mad. You just don't know how to answer a legitimate question, similar to terrible female posters on here.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:36 am to Salmon
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no it was a question to y'all
Shut up
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:36 am to LNCHBOX
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That's all you need to show Sterling was actively resisting while in possession of a firearm.
Resisting on the ground with a gun in your pocket isn't automatically grounds for deadly force, and obviously the officer agrees because he exercised restraint upon seeing what he thought (and we assume) to be a gun. He didn't immediately open fire, but we don't know yet what caused him to pull the trigger. We can only assume at this point, which is fine, but I'd prefer it people were clear that they're filling in the facts as they need them.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:37 am to thegreatboudini
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My feet are propped up on my desk and I'm watching squirrels fight outside. Believe me I am far from mad. You just don't know how to answer a legitimate question, similar to terrible female posters on here.
So sorry that those facts have been covered ad nauseum on here.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:38 am to CAD703X
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don't be lazy. Is been posted 10x in this thread.
This thread is 45 pages long.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:38 am to uway
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They didn't KNOW he had a gun. They suspected it
He would not let them search him. Fact. They were right in their suspicions. He was reported for pulling a gun on people earlier, hence why they needed to search him.
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I think the tackle was a deliberate attempt to prevent a shooting
100% this
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saw it after they went to the ground.
I think this is where it all went sideways. I think cop #1 by his waist saw the gun and yelled "he's got a gun...gun" I don't know if he had actually pulled it at all which would be tough with two people on top of you attempting to restrain you. He may have simply found the gun they suspected was in his pants the whole time.
I think cop #2 who had already pulled his gun heard that and thought he had no other choice but to keep him and his partner from being shot.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 9:42 am
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:39 am to crkelly91
This is not the movies where you let the bad guy shoot first and then shoot the gun out of his hand.
This is a legal shooting.
This is a legal shooting.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:39 am to slackster
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Resisting on the ground with a gun in your pocket isn't automatically grounds for deadly force, and obviously the officer agrees because he exercised restraint upon seeing what he thought (and we assume) to be a gun. He didn't immediately open fire, but we don't know yet what caused him to pull the trigger. We can only assume at this point, which is fine, but I'd prefer it people were clear that they're filling in the facts as they need them
Actually yes, yes it very much is. In fact I'll take it a step further, if the cops knew for a fact that he had a gun on him they would of never taken him down to the ground in the first place. They would of pulled their guns earlier and forced him to comply.
If you have a gun on you, the cops see the gun, and you don't follow their orders that is very much grounds for being shot.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:39 am to SabiDojo
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Y'all have followed this case a lot more closely than I have, so forgive any ignorance I exhibit below:
Mr. Sterling did have a gun, and it's not clear from the video whether he was actually reaching for it. But, the officer says as much. Unless we see video showing otherwise, it's hard to prove the officer didn't in fact see Mr. Sterling reach for a gun. There has to be evidence to contradict the officer's statement. I think that would be difficult to find.
Also, if Mr. Sterling did in fact reach for a gun, officers are trained to use lethal force in those situations. You'll be surprised how a shot can go off in someone's pocket. He could have shot through his own pants and hit an innocent bystander, or the officers.
I don't know about "deserving to die", but from the limited things I saw in the video (and, again, please forgive my ignorance), it's hard to see how the officers didn't do their job.
This board knows I'm far from a being a "bootlicker". I criticize the actions of LEOs whenever those criticisms are warranted. But, we have to step back and realize that we don't hire police officers to play nice. They are trained to take down nasty people, and that's what you want them to do. Now, they should follow the law, and they shouldn't play judge, jury, and executioner just because they have a badge and a gun. However, there are instances, such as when a suspect tries to use a gun, where they do have to act in a really nasty way. It sucks, but it's what we, as a society, have agreed is the appropriate course of action.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:40 am to ShoeBang
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I think cop #2 who had already pulled his gun heard that and thought he had no other choice but to keep him and his partner from being shot.
A delay then kill shots is where the defense fails.
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