re: Allegedly, Madison Brooks had sex the day before incident that caused that caused injuries

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Imagine if the vaginal injury was 10 inches inside, your defense attorney then comes out and says as a defense you have a small peen of 4-5 inches erect and could not have injured the victim in that manner.

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who knows why she wen

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Ostensibly, she needed a ride home. If there's more than that I have not seen it.

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. I'm just seeing a lot of "she clearly wanted to hook up" and just wondering where that's coming from. Girls can hang all over a guy in a bar and not actually have plans with them beyond that.

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Girls can also hang all over a guy at the bar and absolutely want to hook up. Why does the innocent one seem more likely to you than the other version?

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You're pretty cavalier about men being dragged in to court to defend themselves against bullshite charges. In most cases, having to go to court is damn near as bad as a conviction. People's lives and reputations are wrecked because of that. Not to mention the mental and emotional toll of a prospective prison sentence.

You're way too casual in your dismissal.

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I suppose I can see how you might interpret it that way, but that wasn’t my intention.

I get that the whole concept of male vs. female intoxication plays a huge part in how many people view this case. I understand that there’s a commonly-accepted perception that drunk men can consent and drunk women somehow cannot. And I totally agree that many men have had their lives ruined over bullshite accusations.

That being said, I don’t know that there is a problem with the law as many people seem to think. Anyone can accuse anybody else of anything. It doesn’t mean the accused person actually violated the law. It doesn’t mean the accused person will be arrested or charged. The accusation can still be life-ruining on its own but that doesn’t mean there’s a problem with the rape statute itself.

I also don’t think it’s entirely reasonable to make this case into some sort of case study in “date rape” as a whole because, for reasons I’ve already pointed out in this thread, I don’t really think it’s at all similar to the types of cases people are thinking about when they make that comparison.

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What if she was a freak and it was a multi-guy gang bang the day before, would this matter to anyone?

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How would that affect her BAC the next day?

I read somewhere that the attorney for Ashley Baustert saw the video and he said that Madison can be heard saying "get off". In the lawsuit brought by her dad, the affidavit also mentions that video where she can be heard saying "get off"

Looks like Long won his motion........

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A Baton Rouge judge ruled Tuesday that the state must turn over more evidence to a defense lawyer representing a man indicted in the rape of Madison Brooks, an LSU student struck by a car and killed along Burbank Drive in early 2023.

Over the state's objections, Judge Gail Ray said lawyer Joseph Long was entitled to see more of the evidence gathered against Casen Carver, one of four men to leave a Tigerland bar with Brooks early on Jan. 15, 2023. Three men were accused of first-degree rape. The fourth man in the car was arrested but not formally charged.

Long filed a motion in March alleging that an unidentified LSU student had sex with Brooks the night before she left Reggie's Bar with Carver, Kaivon Washington, Desmond Carter and Everett Lee. He also said that Brooks had confided in a friend about what had happened in the earlier encounter.

Investigators have said injuries Brooks sustained that were consistent with a sexual assault that occurred in Carver's car on Jan. 15, 2023.

Long says they actually happened Jan. 14, 2023, when she was with the LSU student identified in court papers under an alias.

"(His) testimony will gut the State's theory of the case," Long said in his motion March 11.

The document has since been sealed from public view.

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"I can't talk about the substance (of the hearing) because it was a closed hearing. I can tell you we were happy with the judge's ruling," Long said.

After the ruling, the district attorney's office said it would work to provide the defense material to which it is "legally entitled." Prosecutors have said they are already providing the defense with the names of all witnesses interviewed.

District Attorney Hillar Moore III said he wanted to ensure that any trial held would be fair to both sides.

"The State and victim's family want to move this matter forward to trial, however not at the expense of jeopardizing a trial that is fair," he said.

The state can appeal Ray's ruling, but wouldn't say whether it would do so. Long said it was his belief the state would take the case to Louisiana's 1st Circuit Court of Appeal.

Carver is charged with rape even though there is no evidence that he had sex with Brooks. The woman died after being dropped off in a neighborhood about 3½ miles from Tigerland and being hit by a car on Burbank. Long has said the evidence he obtained previously undermined the investigators' allegation that Brooks was sexually assaulted in Carver's car.

The next hearing was set for Sept. 4.

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WBRZ Article

Is the Uber driver still facing a lawsuit?

Does this mean that the other two defendants can use the information Carver's attorney will find out?

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.