re: Alec Baldwin Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter in ‘Rust’ Shooting (OP Updated)

Probably the correct charge. And probably has to do with the fact that he hired the shitty armorer and there were previous accidents and safety complaints from the crew.

With that said, I don't think the "if you're pointing the gun it's your fault" argument holds water. They're actors. They're more likely to screw something up once the armorer has correctly set up the gun by trying to inspect something that they don't know what they're looking at. Which, again, is why Baldwin and his crew will be held liable: they didn't follow safety protocol and it got someone killed.

But I don't want some moron Hollywood actor stepping on the toes of the professionals who have prepared a gun for movie use and messing something up.

Convene a jury and give him a fair trial. Should the verdict come back guilty, hang him and put his body on display.

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I just can't believe they have live ammunition on set... like why?

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They were allegedly using that gun to do target practice after production wrapped for the day.

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this board wants him charged because he's a liberal.

he's an actor who was handed a loaded gun by a prop master who assured him it was safe for use. he's not at fault.

under the law no live ammunition was allowed on set, somehow that's Baldwin's fault...

No one was charged in the death of Brandon Lee, same thing.

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Not even close.

Crew people were taking the set gun and using it for live-fire target practice.

They had already had multiple misfire "accidents" on set.

Someone said the gun was clear, but no one showed the director or the actor it was clear, as is common to do. Also, the armorer did not hand the gun to Baldwin. The assistant director did. The armorer also did not hand the gun to the assistant director; the assistant director grabbed it off a table. That is, at minimum, not best practice.

It's also standard practice that no one--not an actor, not a crew person--is actually in the "line of fire" where a gun is pointing, even if the gun is clear or full of blanks.

At the time of the shooting, Baldwin wasn't supposed to be pointing the gun at the camera. The cameras weren't rolling, and he was "practicing" on his own. And he never should have been pointing the gun at a crew person. If she was in his line of fire during a "take," then he should have yelled at her to get out of the way or waited for the director to do that. But, again, this was not during a take, and it's likely that the victim had no idea he was about to point the gun at her.

Finally, Baldwin was a producer with responsibility for the set, so he knew or should have known all of the above things.

Baldwin picked up the gun, and pointed it at a human, and pulled the trigger. He did that at a time when no one had told him to do that, or was expecting him to do that, on a set that had already had multiple misfires, with a crew that was using the prop gun for target practice, on a production for which he was a producer who was responsible for the production.

That's plenty to charge him with involuntary manslaughter.

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TigerIron

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Excellent analysis, I agree with everything you said

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did he really do something illegal?

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Last I checked shooting someone was illegal. And yes it is still illegal even if you didn't intend on shooting them.

You’re going to trigger the frick out of Byron with the facts. He’s convinced the only reason he is being charged is because he’s a liberal

Isn’t his role to pull the trigger? Who gave him that firearm

With that being asked, I’m not a fan of Baldwin

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Last I checked shooting someone was illegal. And yes it is still illegal even if you didn't intend on shooting them.

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When that female cop in MN accidentally shot that thug instead of using the taser, the judge and prosecutors acknowledged that it was an accident but that didn’t absolve her of the crime of involuntary manslaughter. She is sitting behind bars and if Baldwin is convicted, he should be in the cell next to her

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On October 27, after issuing another search warrant,[50] the department said they had recovered over 600 items as evidence, including 500 rounds of ammunition which were a mix of blanks, dummy rounds and suspected live rounds.

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Dummy rounds in the industry look like live rounds. They have the lead tip. However, they contain no gun powder and the primer in the back is inert. Generally speaking, live rounds are never on set except for rare occasions for educational shows that are actually filming on a gun range.

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It was actually a combination of a dummy round and blank that killed Brandon Lee.


A improperly made dummy round with a real primer was fired earlier and the primer caused it to stick in the barrel. Later a blank was loaded and when fired it shot the dummy round still in the barrel.

Not saying baldwin isn't at fault, but he wouldn't necessarily be able to easily tell the difference between a movie set dummy round and a live round. The scene they were shooting was him aiming the gun at the camera from 2 feet away. So I'm sure it was supposed to have dummy rounds in it to look real in the revolver chambers.


Whoever let live rounds on the set is definitely partially at fault imo. Whether that be Baldwin, or whomever.