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Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:45 am to LNCHBOX
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frick off with this nonsense. Any normal person that points a gun at and kills someone with no justifiable reason should be charged for that action.
I understand that he actually pulled the trigger, but how many triggers are pulled in Hollywood daily?
Had he not been the manager/producer, would he be charged? Had he simply been the actor taking assurance from the hired armorer, is he still at fault?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:46 am to cable
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quote: He's an actor not a gun expert a normal person can't tell the difference between live ammo and blanks. It's not that hard to tell the difference.
You can tell the difference from holding a gun if it’s been loaded with blanks versus real ammo?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:49 am to Bourre
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If he’s going to handle firearms and be responsible for everything that happens on set, he should become a gun expert or hire an expert and not a diversity hire. You leftist never want to been held accountable for your actions. He killed a fricking women and your pulling on the excuses
Is he being charged because he pulled the trigger or because he hired the armorer without proper due diligence into competencies?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:49 am to Ingeniero
quote:This stance bothers the crap out of me.
With that said, I don't think the "if you're pointing the gun it's your fault" argument holds water. They're actors. They're more likely to screw something up once the armorer has correctly set up the gun by trying to inspect something that they don't know what they're looking at. Which, again, is why Baldwin and his crew will be held liable: they didn't follow safety protocol and it got someone killed.
“They’re civilians. They were told it was unloaded.”
Yea, that argument doesn’t fly for any other American.
Stop giving actors special treatment.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:51 am to OSoBad
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18 months is all he can get? Damn, he killed somebody.
I highly doubt he does any time in jail. At worst, he'll be ordered to do some BS community service, consisting of hosting some Hollywood fund raising event for Actors Against Guns, or some shite like that, to fight against NRA. He'll dine on delicious foods and hob knob with Deniro and Clooney, and have photographers everywhere. He'll be drunk as shite. And maybe he'll show up for a photo op serving turkey dinners to Hollywood homeless at Thanksgiving.
He'll then be awarded a Lifetime Achievement Award for his unselfish philanthropy in doing what he did, at the Oscars.
His record will be expunged, and he'll be laughing his arse off at the common man that thought he would actually have to be punished like some commoner.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:52 am to Scruffy
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I want him to be charged like a normal American would. No other American would be defended and allowed to skate by with the argument of “I thought it was unloaded” or “he told me it was unloaded”. Celebrities aren’t special. Until every other person who was charged in a similar situation is released or has their records cleared, Baldwin should be treated the exact same.
I agree, every other person that is on a permitted filming set that has a paid for firearms expert that has killed someone should be treated the exact same.
The case shooting someone in your home saying “I thought it was unloaded” is that there is very little to no possibility that the gun has been properly handled to shoot blanks.
On film sets, there should never be live ammo and all should be blanks. It’s very different than accidental the killings someone with a personal firearm.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:55 am to Oilfieldbiology
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You can tell the difference from holding a gun if it’s been loaded with blanks versus real ammo?
You open the chamber and look - it's not hard
And yea I could easily telly tell the difference between a blank and actual ammo - most people with a functioning brain could.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:56 am to Oilfieldbiology
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You can tell the difference from holding a gun if it’s been loaded with blanks versus real ammo?
I don't think I've ever handled a firearm that I haven't personally seen what was loaded into it.
I can say with 100% certainty I have never and would never pull the trigger of a gun while aiming it at some random person, especially while not knowing what kind of (if any) ammo was loaded in it
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:57 am to NATidefan
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Not saying baldwin isn't at fault, but he wouldn't necessarily be able to easily tell the difference between a movie set dummy round and a live round.
The difference is literally in the post above yours. It’s plainly obvious and anyone who says otherwise shouldn’t be allowed within 50 ft of a firearm.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:58 am to NATidefan
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just can't believe they had live ammunition on set... like why? And also that the gun and other prop guns were allowed to be used by the crew to go shoot at beer cans that day for fun. Like what type of safety protocol are we running here, fellas?
If he’s the producer on this set and he allowed these basic safety protocols to be ignored so he could entertain himself and others, he 100% should be charged with involuntary manslaughter charges.
Because he allowed the situation where a gun with live ammo could be interchanged with a prop gun.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:59 am to WPBTiger
Those things "on the line" never disappear, well unless Chicken or the govt wants it to disappear.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:00 pm to TheRouxGuru
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One of these is a blank. The other is not…. My 8 year old son could tell the difference. You’re a clown.
When it’s loaded in a gun?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:00 pm to Tbonepatron
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The difference is literally in the post above yours. It’s plainly obvious and anyone who says otherwise shouldn’t be allowed within 50 ft of a firearm.
No, it's not. That's a pic of a BLANK and a live round. A DUMMY round is not a BLANK. And movie set dummy rounds look just like live rounds, just no powder and a fake primer.
Dummy rounds in movies look like live rounds, but don't fire. Blanks fire, but have no bullet.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:01 pm to Scruffy
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This stance bothers the crap out of me.
“They’re civilians. They were told it was unloaded.”
Yea, that argument doesn’t fly for any other American.
Stop giving actors special treatment.
It's a totally different situation though. And I explained why he should still be charged. Civilians aren't filming movies under the supervision of a production crew and hired professionals to guide them on proper use.
For comparison, a car chase scene. There's no comparison to hoodrats blocking off a street to do burnouts and an actor doing it in a closed, permitted street. If someone wandered onto the closed set and died because there was a speeding scene being filmed, there's no way you can earnestly tell me you'd want the driver charged because "everyone knows speeding and reckless driving is a crime." Unless, of course, there was a safety protocol being ignored. Just like Alec Baldwin is being charged for.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:02 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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this board wants him charged because he's a liberal.
Well he is a piece of shite but more importantly his actions directly resulted in the death of someone. You're a piece of shite too but for being an ignorant, dishonest hack.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:03 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Is he being charged because he pulled the trigger or because he hired the armorer without proper due diligence into competencies?
He:
--participated in hiring the incompetent armorer
--knew or should have known there was a very serious problem with firearms on the set because of the multiple accidental misfires (almost certainly knew about this) and crew using guns for target practice (should have known, and possibly he was participating though that's unclear)
--took a gun that the AD said was clear without the armorer being there or demonstrating it was clear
--"practiced" with the gun before the take
--pointed the gun at a person, when he should never have done that (even during a take)
--pulled the trigger on the gun when he should not have done that until it was time to do that for the take, and never should have done that even during a take if a person was standing where he was pointing the gun
You are trying to make this a binary where he is either an actor with no responsibility or he can only be liable for hiring a bad armorer, but that not how it works or how it should work. He's being charged because he pulled the trigger and shot someone in circumstances where he's clearly at fault for doing that, even though he didn't intend to shoot her.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:03 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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I understand that he actually pulled the trigger, but how many triggers are pulled in Hollywood daily?
He pointed a loaded weapon at the cinematographer and pulled the trigger. They weren't filming a scene or rehearshing, he was fricking around with a loaded weapon like a dumbass and killed someone.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:08 pm to WPBTiger
If he goes to prison, no one is going to resist his Shweddy Cornhole.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:09 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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They weren't filming a scene or rehearshing
Supposedly they were in the process of getting a shot of him pointing the gun at the camera. In between while trying to get the lighting right he was practicing and that's when he pointed it their direction and fired.
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