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75 Years Ago: The bloodiest battle in human history came to an end
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:02 pm
February 3, 1943:
The German Sixth Army finally surrenders to the forces of the Red Army in and around the city of Stalingrad. The battle had raged since August of the previous year, quickly escalating into one of the bloodiest and most desperate struggles in the history of warfare. Several different times the Germans had held up to 90% of the city, but each time the Soviets launched counterattacks, driving the invaders just ever so backwards.
In November 1942, the Russians launched a massive counteroffensive in the vicinity of Stalingrad. Two massive pincers, one to the north of the city and one to the south, smashed through Axis defenses and met up in rear of the city - cutting the German Sixth Army off from friendly forces to the west. Surrounded and beginning to starve, their commanding officer - General Friedrich Paulus - asked Hitler for permission to break out. Permission was denied.
The Russian winter rolled in and thousands of German soldiers, ill-equipped for the extreme cold, began to freeze to death in the brutal conditions. And still the battle raged on in the streets and ruined buildings of Stalingrad.
On January 30, 1943, with the situation around Stalingrad looking hopeless, Hitler promoted Paulus to the rank of field marshal. No German field marshal had ever surrendered his command, so the implication was clear. Hitler expected him to commit suicide before ever surrendering his army to the Russians. The very next day, Paulus and his staff were captured by the Soviets. Instead of blowing his brains out, Paulus surrendered himself willingly.
Two days later, the German Sixth Army capitulated. Upon hearing of the Sixth Army's surrender and Paulus's continued existence, Hitler flew into a rage:
Of the 91,000 German soldiers and additional 15,000 Axis allies who surrendered to the Red Army, fewer than 6,000 ever returned home. Total casualties for the Axis powers in the Battle of Stalingrad numbered around 628,000 men. Russian military casualties officially stand at 1.1 million (with nearly 500,000 of that number listed as killed in action). The total number of civilian casualties will never be known for sure.
And it all came to an end.....75 years ago today.
The German Sixth Army finally surrenders to the forces of the Red Army in and around the city of Stalingrad. The battle had raged since August of the previous year, quickly escalating into one of the bloodiest and most desperate struggles in the history of warfare. Several different times the Germans had held up to 90% of the city, but each time the Soviets launched counterattacks, driving the invaders just ever so backwards.
In November 1942, the Russians launched a massive counteroffensive in the vicinity of Stalingrad. Two massive pincers, one to the north of the city and one to the south, smashed through Axis defenses and met up in rear of the city - cutting the German Sixth Army off from friendly forces to the west. Surrounded and beginning to starve, their commanding officer - General Friedrich Paulus - asked Hitler for permission to break out. Permission was denied.
The Russian winter rolled in and thousands of German soldiers, ill-equipped for the extreme cold, began to freeze to death in the brutal conditions. And still the battle raged on in the streets and ruined buildings of Stalingrad.
On January 30, 1943, with the situation around Stalingrad looking hopeless, Hitler promoted Paulus to the rank of field marshal. No German field marshal had ever surrendered his command, so the implication was clear. Hitler expected him to commit suicide before ever surrendering his army to the Russians. The very next day, Paulus and his staff were captured by the Soviets. Instead of blowing his brains out, Paulus surrendered himself willingly.
Two days later, the German Sixth Army capitulated. Upon hearing of the Sixth Army's surrender and Paulus's continued existence, Hitler flew into a rage:
quote:
"In peacetime Germany, about 18,000 or 20,000 people a year chose to commit suicide, even without being in such a position. Here is a man who sees 50,000 or 60,000 of his soldiers die defending themselves bravely to the end. How can he surrender himself to the Bolshevists?!"
Of the 91,000 German soldiers and additional 15,000 Axis allies who surrendered to the Red Army, fewer than 6,000 ever returned home. Total casualties for the Axis powers in the Battle of Stalingrad numbered around 628,000 men. Russian military casualties officially stand at 1.1 million (with nearly 500,000 of that number listed as killed in action). The total number of civilian casualties will never be known for sure.
And it all came to an end.....75 years ago today.
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:05 pm to RollTide1987
This event was fought by people who understood what the end of civilization would be like.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:17 pm to fatboydave
A reminder that we shouldnt be quick to jump into war and that we use that word loosely these days. Open up the history books and remember the war to end all wars was only the begining!
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:20 pm to RollTide1987
Yeah, if a genie forced me to choose between fighting in WWI or II, I would choose 2 and just hope against all hope that I didn’t land on Stalingrad. If it was between Stalingrad and fighting in Verdun or the Somme... I’d choose the later. That was harrowing to my soul to say I’d chose the later. It’s like choosing between Angband and Mordor, all horrifying and almost certain death... but Stalingrad as awful as it is stands out over the Somme and Verdun. That speaks volumes.
Listen to this account from Stalingrad:
Seriously, tell me you don’t imagine Sean Bean slowly explaining this scene to you. Really it puts his to shame.
Listen to this account from Stalingrad:
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The street is no longer measured by meters but by corpses…Stalingrad is no longer a town. By day it is an enormous cloud of burning, blinding smoke; it is a vast furnace lit by the reflection of the flames. And when night arrives, one of those scorching, howling, bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure.
Seriously, tell me you don’t imagine Sean Bean slowly explaining this scene to you. Really it puts his to shame.
This post was edited on 2/2/18 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:30 pm to OMLandshark
My mind can't even grasp those numbers.
For a reference use our civil war:
LINK
For a reference use our civil war:
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Four years of intense combat left 620,000 to 750,000 people dead, a higher number than the number of U.S. military deaths in all other wars combined (at least until approximately the Vietnam War).
LINK
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:32 pm to RollTide1987
A terrible day for the course of human history.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:43 pm to RollTide1987
To show you how bad the Russian Army was, the Estonians still celebrate the the Nazi defeat of the Russians in Estonia to this day
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:04 am to RollTide1987
Just imagine if Hitler would have developed Nuclear weapons first. He was willing to let this many of his people die when he had to know that he was going to lose.
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 12:20 am
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:10 am to RollTide1987
For those baws in that time it was like the end of the world.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:10 am to RollTide1987
Absolutely crazy to think shite like this happened in the world.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:20 am to RollTide1987
If Germany won in Stalingrad, their army would have made it to the Caucasus region and got their hands on the oil they needed to run their war machine.
If I was Germany, I would have never invaded the Soviets and instead would focus all my energy on invading Britain.
If I was Germany, I would have never invaded the Soviets and instead would focus all my energy on invading Britain.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:22 am to The Boat
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A terrible day for the course of human history.
I'm curious about what you mean by this.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:24 am to Parmen
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If I was Germany, I would have never invaded the Soviets and instead would focus all my energy on invading Britain.
Conflict between the two was inevitable - it just depended on who blinked first. There would never have been a peaceful coexistence of communism and fascism right next to each other.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:24 am to TxTiger82
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I'm curious about what you mean by this.
he's a Nazi so let's punch him
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:27 am to HempHead
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he's a Nazi so let's punch him
I just find it hard to believe that Naziism has come back into style. I know goldennugget is like an actual Nazi. I guess TheBoat is, too. I think it is seriously fricked up.
And what's even more fricked up is that the mods let this bullshite go on here. The Poli Board is barely readable anymore. Hate speech is out of hand there. I would guess some of it is even borderline illegal. Honestly, I think the mods should be ashamed of that.
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 12:30 am
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:29 am to TxTiger82
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I would guess some of it is even borderline illegal.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:30 am to HempHead
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HempHead
Laugh all you want, doesn't make me wrong.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:30 am to TxTiger82
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And what's even more fricked up is that the mods let this bullshite go on here. The Poli Board is barely readable anymore. Hate speech is out of hand there. I would guess some of it is even borderline illegal. Honestly, I think the mods should be ashamed of that.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:32 am to TxTiger82
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Laugh all you want, doesn't make me wrong.
It doesn't make you right, either. Borderline illegal? That's hilarious.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:36 am to HempHead
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It doesn't make you right, either. Borderline illegal? That's hilarious.
Speech that incites violence or imminent lawlessness is illegal. Some of the stuff that goes on over there approaches that standard, at least in my view. Hence, "borderline."
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 12:37 am
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