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re: 2/3 of teachers surveyed in Texas considering going peace out
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:55 pm to Methuselah
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:55 pm to Methuselah
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I think a lot of the complaints teachers have is they don't really have a good feel for what the outside workplace is and so they tend to think they have it worse that other places.
I think this is true. I worked retail management for several years before I went into teaching and would never go back to that if I can help it. Crap hours and not much better pay and dealing with the public in a retail setting gets old really quickly.
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:59 pm to LSUFanHouston
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The "entire summer" in most cases is less than 8 weeks. And you know how yesterday's thread talked about how people want teachers to submit lesson plans by July 1st or whatever? When you think those are going to get done? Teachers don't work 40 hour weeks all summer long but they are preparing for school year. My wife works 188 contract days peer year at 8 hours per day. That's 1,504 hours. She works approx 5 hours a week outside her "work day" - mainly on weekends... grading and planning. So 36 x 5 = 180 hours. Finally she works let's say 50 hours during summer, with planning, etc. Let's call it 1,734 hours. So yes it's less than most people have full time. They also get paid about 52K a year. So they are getting paid less than many full time professionals who work a 2200 hour year.
Who requires that she works 50 hours during the summer and grade papers on her personal time?
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:59 pm to GRTiger
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The reason people tend to ignore teachers is because they complain persistently about issues they think are new and original but are actually exactly the same as pretty much every profession.
The reason people tend to ignore teachers is because they are predominantly women.
Unlike “pretty much every other profession0 every working parent depends on teachers for childcare if nothing else. Teachers are essential to society for several reasons.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:00 pm to udtiger
quote:This is a good point also. Some districts have a lot of middle manager types who are trying to justify why they're there. Problem is, human nature tends to dictate that the way they justify their position is by creating more make work and paperwork for teachers that they can then allegedly "review". Best thing that could come out of the teacher shortages and financial squeezes would be that some of these are filtered back to the classroom. Some wouldn't last, but a few might well find their calling.
Slash administration and hire more teachers/aides
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:03 pm to LSUFanHouston
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When the teachers were asked what would make them stay in public education, 45% said they want pay incentives (retention bonus, pay raise), 35% said they want changes to workload (fewer responsibilities) and 8% said they want workplace safety improvements.
I’m guessing workload isn’t about time, I’m going to assume that it’s about dealing with things that they shouldn’t have to deal with. For example, kid disrupts class and the teacher just has to figure it out because we have removed discipline from school.
The problem with pay stems from paying off time served rather than by how well you teach. It doesn’t matter how much you pay; when people know if you do just enough not to get fired and you will be paid the same as the teacher who gives all they got, you will get the vast majority of your staff giving the minimum. Morale will be low because attitudes will always be poor in that environment.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:04 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Wish they would have done it because then we could finally end the mockery known as public education.
I mean, it sucks, but what do we do back to? Family farms? Public education is a key ingredient for modern industry.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:05 pm to Methuselah
Have some insight here, as wife (np) is an educator. She makes good money for a teacher, but it ain’t good enough. I don’t know how these teachers make it, especially those with kids. Add inflation that’s happening as we speak…. Just no.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:05 pm to LSUFanHouston
My Aunt was a tenured teacher in Harris County. She retired early this year because of how bad things have gotten.
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:06 pm to 4cubbies
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Teachers are essential to society for several reasons.
Essential, but not unique. Construction workers are also essential to society, not unique, and tend to be paid like shite.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:10 pm to LSUFanHouston
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When the teachers were asked what would make them stay in public education, 45% said they want pay incentives (retention bonus, pay raise), 35% said they want changes to workload (fewer responsibilities) and 8% said they want workplace safety improvements.
And it's not even about money.
Not sure if just sarcastic but it seems to be very much about money - either wanting retention bonuses, pay raises, and/or less work & responsibility with no mention of taking less pay for doing less.
Also how many teachers does Texas have as 3,800 were surveyed according to the Texas American Federation of Teachers? 3,800 is probably around 1% of the teachers in Texas (and around 6% of the number of teachers in Texas AFT). And of that 1% the 66% they claim is not currently thinking about quitting as the AFT is quoted but seems like it’s that 66% of 3,800 who responded to AFT’s survey have recently considered leaving with no mention of whether that are still considering.
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“In all, 3,800 educators were surveyed across the state, according to the Texas American Federation of Teachers.”
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“Texas AFT represents about 65,000 teachers, paraprofessionals, support personnel, and higher-education employees across the state.”
quote:https://www.kwtx.com/2022/02/08/texas-teachers-union-warns-school-staffing-crisis/
In a news conference Monday, Feb. 7, Texas American Federation of Teachers announced a survey sent to its 65,000 members, found two-thirds had in the last year considered leaving the profession
So according to other articles instead of survey being sampled to best represent views of entire union membership (their membership still just comprises only 17% to 18% of all teachers in Texas) this survey may have been sent to all its members and only 3,800 actually responded to survey.
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
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And it's not even about money.
This is most of the workforce. People are stressed, burned out, and looking to move.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:12 pm to Jcorye1
That’s crazy how little construction workers make.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:12 pm to LSUFanHouston
Just like being a cop, you couldn't pay me enough to teach these disrespectful SOB's in today's world.
We've got a parenting problem that isn't getting better.
We've got a parenting problem that isn't getting better.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:13 pm to LSUFanHouston
I think all teachers should have to do a rotational assignment in the private sector every 7-10 years.
I have a former coworker with an engineering degree that taught 10-11 grade science for a year back in 09-10 school year. Company he was working for went under in the recession, so the only job he could get was a teaching job. Gotta pay the bills. Anyway, the amount of whining was almost intolerable. These people had absolutely no clue what the real world is like. It was stressful at times, mostly brought on by administration micromanaging every little nuance of the teaching experience. But grading papers, lesson plans, etc were really no big deal. If you’ve been in projects, it’s no different then planning you’d do at work but much more straightforward.
The time off was absurd. Holidays, no callouts on weekends. He went back to work in July so he only got the month of June, but even that was stupid. Most days, he’d go back to his room after dismissal and prep for the next day and was usually out the door by 4. Most of the teachers he saw bitching about “how many hours they spent working on lesson plans” were doing nothing but gossiping and complaining after school and most likely waited until late night before planning their days.
Money was mediocre, especially after coming off an engineering salary. But all things considered, if you want a very straightforward job, it’s not a bad gig.
Just one experience, so his might be unique. But I know family members that are teachers spend more time bitching about it than they do working.
I have a former coworker with an engineering degree that taught 10-11 grade science for a year back in 09-10 school year. Company he was working for went under in the recession, so the only job he could get was a teaching job. Gotta pay the bills. Anyway, the amount of whining was almost intolerable. These people had absolutely no clue what the real world is like. It was stressful at times, mostly brought on by administration micromanaging every little nuance of the teaching experience. But grading papers, lesson plans, etc were really no big deal. If you’ve been in projects, it’s no different then planning you’d do at work but much more straightforward.
The time off was absurd. Holidays, no callouts on weekends. He went back to work in July so he only got the month of June, but even that was stupid. Most days, he’d go back to his room after dismissal and prep for the next day and was usually out the door by 4. Most of the teachers he saw bitching about “how many hours they spent working on lesson plans” were doing nothing but gossiping and complaining after school and most likely waited until late night before planning their days.
Money was mediocre, especially after coming off an engineering salary. But all things considered, if you want a very straightforward job, it’s not a bad gig.
Just one experience, so his might be unique. But I know family members that are teachers spend more time bitching about it than they do working.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:13 pm to baobabtiger
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This is most of the workforce. People are stressed, burned out, and looking to move.
If salary increases would at least match inflation, people wouldn’t be so miserable.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
Demanding the public kowtow to you because you do a certain job when others have it worse makes you obnoxious at best.
Doubly so when the job is a public service job where the ability to remove a problem individual is damn near zero.
Doubly so when the job is a public service job where the ability to remove a problem individual is damn near zero.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:14 pm to PacoPicopiedra
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It's the fact that there have been days when we've had upwards of 18 teachers and assistants, out of about 35, out in one day, because the TEA and my district require you to be out for the 5 day quarantine if you test positive, or longer if you run a fever. Can't return unless you're fever free for 24 hours without the aid of fever reducers.
This is what I think the issue is.
I dump on bad teachers all the time. I love good teachers.
Administrations and Boards are keeping ridiculous policies that makes people fearful about being honest that they don’t feel good in fear of being forced to test and then maybe have 5-10 days off for a sniffle.
I feel for teachers that aren’t trying to teach from home and do the minimum that just want to work and are getting effed over by administrations sending their staff home and creating stress for the people they’re not sending home.
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:17 pm to LSUFanHouston
This is just the ramblings and lies of a typical union “ leader”. I can promise you that his one and only real interest is generating more union dues to create his own golden parachute. These liars don’t care an ounce about our kids.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:17 pm to tigergirl10
Lessen plans don’t hardly change
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:17 pm to broadhead
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Who requires that she works 50 hours during the summer and grade papers on her personal time?
I agree with you about summers. Heck, we don't even officially find out what courses we will be teaching until right before school starts in the fall (you can guess based on classes you taught previously, but they often change things up), so I don't really do any work during the summer break. It is pretty great.
During the school year is a different matter. I find to do a good job it is necessary to do planning and grading on off hours. The 'planning' time provided during school is just not sufficient and they often interfere with it with meetings, covering for absent teachers, and other 'duties'. I'm kind of weird in that I don't much mind doing the prep. With technology it is kind of like playing on the computer. A little reading. A little research. A little typing. Almost like being on TigerDroppings.
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