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re: 2/3 of teachers surveyed in Texas considering going peace out
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:20 pm to Proximo
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:20 pm to Proximo
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When they invoke Covid as a reason they want to quit, especially fricking omicron, their argument loses all validity
It's not the fear of omicron, at least not at my campus and district, and probably a lot of other districts around Texas.
It's the fact that there have been days when we've had upwards of 18 teachers and assistants, out of about 35, out in one day, because the TEA and my district require you to be out for the 5 day quarantine if you test positive, or longer if you run a fever. Can't return unless you're fever free for 24 hours without the aid of fever reducers.
If you even try to take off for a simple cold HR requires you to take and submit test results, preferably from the testing being provided by the district, before you will be released to come back to work.
Classes are having to be combined or covered by paraprofessionals to just get through the school day because there is a shortage of substitute teachers available. It's a cluster and the students aren't really getting much instruction on a daily basis.
In the end, I don't complain about the profession I chose to work in. I knew what I was getting into coming in and think those that do should find something else to do with their life. Not many jobs get the time off we do and you won't starve on the pay. It's just that since covid hit it's been a mess handled badly by those in charge.
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 1:24 pm
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:24 pm to LSUFanHouston
Everything woke... turns to shite.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:26 pm to LSUFanHouston
Teachers are mostly sub par. My brother tutors as a side gig in the "best" school districts in the country. Loudoun and Fairfax counties. Even there the kids need high level math help and ACT/LSAT/MCAT prep.
He spent 30 minutes teaching my step daughter a calculus subject that the teacher openly admitted she didn't know how to teach that they spent a whole week on.
They're not sending their best.
He spent 30 minutes teaching my step daughter a calculus subject that the teacher openly admitted she didn't know how to teach that they spent a whole week on.
They're not sending their best.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:27 pm to LSUFanHouston
The demographic I see most consistently rag on teachers—calling them whiners, saying they’re not underpaid using their summers as justification—are those that make < / = wages as a teacher.
I’ve quite honestly never met an intelligent person that I respect who doesn’t think teachers get paid shite wages to raise their kids for them.
I’ve quite honestly never met an intelligent person that I respect who doesn’t think teachers get paid shite wages to raise their kids for them.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:27 pm to Horsemeat
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The majority of us have to use vacation days to have more than one or two days off for those holidays, we don't get the entire week or half a month off for it - so no. Quit whining about going back to work like its some injustice that you're expected to go back to work in August after an entire summer off work
The "entire summer" in most cases is less than 8 weeks.
And you know how yesterday's thread talked about how people want teachers to submit lesson plans by July 1st or whatever? When you think those are going to get done?
Teachers don't work 40 hour weeks all summer long but they are preparing for school year.
My wife works 188 contract days peer year at 8 hours per day. That's 1,504 hours. She works approx 5 hours a week outside her "work day" - mainly on weekends... grading and planning. So 36 x 5 = 180 hours. Finally she works let's say 50 hours during summer, with planning, etc.
Let's call it 1,734 hours.
So yes it's less than most people have full time. They also get paid about 52K a year. So they are getting paid less than many full time professionals who work a 2200 hour year.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:29 pm to NPComb
quote:
Everything woke... turns to shite.
Texas schools are woke?
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:29 pm to El Segundo Guy
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They're not sending their best.
The best and brightest don’t work with shithead kids for median wages.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:30 pm to El Segundo Guy
quote:
He spent 30 minutes teaching my step daughter a calculus subject that the teacher openly admitted she didn't know how to teach that they spent a whole week on.
They're not sending their best.
Calculus is hard and the people who know it well can demand much higher pay than as a teacher.
You get what you pay for.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:32 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
If teaching was just teaching the content and not being expected to pick up society’s slack it’d be much different.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:33 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:THE HORROR! A lot of people in this world have to work at a company for 10 years to get three weeks of vacation.
The "entire summer" in most cases is less than 8 weeks.
quote:Again I'm not arguing pay. They're free to work part time jobs in that time frame as a cousin of mine does - works two months a year tutoring for pretty decent pay. Certainly doesn't kill her to do so.
Let's call it 1,734 hours. So yes it's less than most people have full time. They also get paid about 52K a year. So they are getting paid less than many full time professionals who work a 2200 hour year.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:33 pm to LSUFanHouston
Workload shite can get pretty ridiculous. I don't think you all know the amount of hours some teachers put in, with no added pay.
I went entire years putting in 60 hour minimums, back in the day. No overtime. No bonus.
I would never do that today.
No clue what goes on in Texas, but East Tennessee could be crazy.
I went entire years putting in 60 hour minimums, back in the day. No overtime. No bonus.
I would never do that today.
No clue what goes on in Texas, but East Tennessee could be crazy.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:35 pm to LSUFanHouston
Slash administration and hire more teachers/aides
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:36 pm to LSUFanHouston
Let 'em go get a real job, 12 months a year, nights, weekends, and Holidays... They will run right back to 8a to 4p for a measley 8 months a year. When you work 2/3 a normal work year you can't expect something equal to others pay who work 12 months a year. SERIOUSLY? ..
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:38 pm to tigergirl10
quote:
No, we want parents and students who value education and respecting others
45% want more pay and 35% want less work. It's all right there in the OP.
The reason people tend to ignore teachers is because they complain persistently about issues they think are new and original but are actually exactly the same as pretty much every profession. Just because nobody writes articles about the plight of trash collectors and moritcians, it doesn't mean those folks don't also want more pay and less work. They just don't have an annoyingly vocal union to complain on their behalf. Kudos to the lobbyists in that regard I guess.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:42 pm to LSUFanHouston
I teach in a public school (albeit in the STEM program) and I love it. One thing that helps me, I think, is that I worked outside of teaching for a long time before switching over.
I follow a lot of teaching sites on Facebook and such and I have to say I think a lot of the complaints teachers have is they don't really have a good feel for what the outside workplace is and so they tend to think they have it worse than other places.
I think more people going into teaching after spending time in the outside workforce would probably be beneficial. All the teachers I know who were construction managers or chiropractors or pharmacists or in radio or even acting are very good teachers.
That is not to say there are no other problems, but I think they are more societal problems that don't start in the education system and that the current education system will not be able to correct.
I follow a lot of teaching sites on Facebook and such and I have to say I think a lot of the complaints teachers have is they don't really have a good feel for what the outside workplace is and so they tend to think they have it worse than other places.
I think more people going into teaching after spending time in the outside workforce would probably be beneficial. All the teachers I know who were construction managers or chiropractors or pharmacists or in radio or even acting are very good teachers.
That is not to say there are no other problems, but I think they are more societal problems that don't start in the education system and that the current education system will not be able to correct.
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:47 pm to GRTiger
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They just don't have an annoyingly vocal union to complain on their behalf.
Teacher's union? In Texas?
Not much of a factor in this State, and I'm fine with that. The industrial unions have more power in Texas and, in my area of the State the union members, like OCAW, have gone on strike several times during my lifetime. Teachers, or any State employee, tries that they are fired. It's the law in Texas. And I'm fine with that as well.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:48 pm to LSUFanHouston
Pay the good ones more, fire the shitty ones.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:52 pm to LSUFanHouston
Do teachers even get fired for just being bad at their job? The two people that had my current position prior to me were both fired. One of them was good in my opinion. Making a living in the private sector can be stressful.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:54 pm to PacoPicopiedra
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Teacher's union? In Texas?
Not much of a factor in this State
Unions set the narrative nationally, regardless of how active they are in any particular state. A union funded and conducted the survey posted in the OP. There is an obvious intent there.
It also doesn't surprise me that 2/3 of teachers in any state would say they are considering quitting. They make it pretty clear how miserable they are as a profession pretty much any time they speak.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:55 pm to deaconjones35
quote:where are these mythical teachers who get 3 months off for summer?
Like 4 months off for summer instead of 3?
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