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re: 2/3 of teachers surveyed in Texas considering going peace out
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:50 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:50 pm to LSUFanHouston
Kind of funny how you posed that as a hypothetical. It happens all the time and has happened to me. In my situation, I did the work as well as I could and then used it to justify a pay raise for myself. Sometimes it worked. Sometimes it didn't.
In the private sector, a promotion comes with more money, but rarely does it match the additional work or responsibility that comes with the new position.
How does that reconcile with teachers targeting the pockets of "customers" and people who use other services but happen to live in the same state? We the people have little say in how our money is spent. You can lobby for more money and less work, but you can't lobby to get everyone who just pays what they are told to join the fight to spend more of their money. You're not even going to get me to smile while I continue to pay what I'm told to pay.
In the private sector, a promotion comes with more money, but rarely does it match the additional work or responsibility that comes with the new position.
How does that reconcile with teachers targeting the pockets of "customers" and people who use other services but happen to live in the same state? We the people have little say in how our money is spent. You can lobby for more money and less work, but you can't lobby to get everyone who just pays what they are told to join the fight to spend more of their money. You're not even going to get me to smile while I continue to pay what I'm told to pay.
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:50 pm to elprez00
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I think all teachers should have to do a rotational assignment in the private sector every 7-10 years.
Sure.
And all of us private sector folks should do a rotational assignment as a teacher every 7-10 years.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:51 pm to LSUFanHouston
Then we’d run out of private sector professionals.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:51 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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Lessen plans don’t hardly change
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Lessen
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:52 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Agree, but how do you judge performance?
It's definitely not through the standardized tests such as LEAP. You can get good at preparing kids for those, but they really don't have any relationship to well taught classes. I'm not sure who puts them together (I think it's one of or some combination of bureaucrats in BR, for pay testing companies or committees of moonlighting teachers) but they are very poorly conceived and constructed in my opinion and generally take weeks out of instructional time to administer.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:53 pm to Methuselah
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. Heck, we don't even officially find out what courses we will be teaching until right before school starts in the fall (you can guess based on classes you taught previously, but they often change things up)
That's crazy. By mid-June my wife knows what she is teaching. Yes, it's "subject to change" but the schedule is pretty locked in by that point. It's just a matter of how many kids are in her classes... and if they have to add or shave off a section.
Sounds like you work for a crappy administration.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:53 pm to 4cubbies
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But they don’t internalize themselves. There’s also prep and modifications. You clearly have never taught anything.
The worst teachers I ever had... were the ones handing out 20 year old dittos that were so faded it was hard to read.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:54 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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A lot of principals and other administrative positions that no longer teach classes are on absolute power trips and are borderline running dictatorships. Some of these “leaders” are absolutely abusing their authority and I think this has a lot to do with teacher burnout these last 2 years.
And lots of school district HR departments are so gung ho about showing the public and politicians how "proactive" they are being when it comes to protecting our kids, and the public at large, that they've completely gone off the deep end concerning Covid protocols for employees.
Except, when it comes down to it they don't really give a shite. Since the CDC changed their recommendations, our district now requires the 5 day quarantine for employees but students still have to quarantine for 10 days. Why is this? Do children carry Covid for a longer period of time or do they really just need employees back sooner so they don't run into staffing shortages? Makes no sense.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:55 pm to deaconjones35
Nice to know these teachers want to flex their "options" and leave these kids with no options high and dry. Nice message were sending here.
Teachers need to take note that they didn't like their jobs before covid. The objective is still the same and if covid magically dissapears you'll just find something else to complain about. Don't fail these kids and show some responsibility.
Teachers need to take note that they didn't like their jobs before covid. The objective is still the same and if covid magically dissapears you'll just find something else to complain about. Don't fail these kids and show some responsibility.
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:56 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Then we’d run out of private sector professionals.
Why don’t you test your theory? Orleans Parish has openings as I post. Handle your business. If life is so good as a teacher (as you imply), then you won’t go back into your current field.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:58 pm to LSUFanHouston
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What's going to happen if teachers finally say that's enough and peace out en masse? Who's going to teach your snowflakes then? Might not have to worry about opting out of lessons, if there is no one to teach the lessons.
Then schools would be forced to privatize and education would increase by a factor of 10
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:58 pm to GRTiger
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Teachers want more pay and less work.
This.
However, is this really unique to teachers?
Perhaps they just whine about it more?
Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:59 pm to GRTiger
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In my situation, I did the work as well as I could and then used it to justify a pay raise for myself. Sometimes it worked. Sometimes it didn't.
Ahh yes. Because teachers have the ability to negotiate pay raises for themselves.
Oh, they don't.
And you can say "that's the unions" or whatever. Cool. The 26 year old teacher doesn't give AF about the unions. But they do understand that in the private sector... harder work = better pay.
And when harder work isn't rewarded with better pay... you know what happens in the private sector? Employees leave.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 3:00 pm to silverthorn
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Then schools would be forced to privatize and education would increase by a factor of 10
You should put a period at the end of your sentence.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 3:00 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Then we’d run out of private sector professionals.
Meh. Anyone who makes less than 50K a year can sit this one out.
Make it 20 years.
You understand my point.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 3:02 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Educators witness every day the devastating effects on our students when schools have staffing shortages. It’s only going to get worse unless teachers’ concerns are addressed
All self inflicted
Posted on 2/12/22 at 3:02 pm to Sisselpud81
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Nice to know these teachers want to flex their "options" and leave these kids with no options high and dry.
If you were to become a teacher, then the problem would be solved.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 3:02 pm to silverthorn
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Then schools would be forced to privatize and education would increase by a factor of 10
And who is going to work in these private schools? Most private schools pay less than public schools.
And the private schools will now have all the jackass kids in them as well.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 3:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Sounds like you work for a crappy administration.
I try not to judge, and I have been happy with my experience personally, but I will say the first time watching a school board meeting (they broadcast them via Facebook, etc.), I and my wife who works in the private sector were shocked.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 3:05 pm to Horsemeat
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So just because there’s shittier jobs out there people shouldn’t advocate for improvement in their own field?
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I forgot where "Oh no it's only the first week of January waaaah I don't wanna go back to work" is improvement in their own field. It's part of the job - you know, going to work.
While what you state is true, it is also a deflection.
Bluegrass is also correct.
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