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Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:17 pm to Double Oh
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needs to go to Payton and Brees and heres why.
the next person to start this thread needs a permaban
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:18 pm to Double Oh
It was a perfect call. We had a man schemed wide open, and the only thing that stopped it from being a walk in TD was a rams player blindly scrambling over, and committing an egregiously uncalled penalty.
I cant blame the saints for that.
I cant blame the saints for that.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:20 pm to P bean
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It was a perfect call. We had a man schemed wide open, and the only thing that stopped it from being a walk in TD was a rams player blindly scrambling over, and committing an egregiously uncalled penalty.
Yep. That wheel route was open all game. Nice mix using WR at a critical point in the game.
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:20 pm to Double Oh
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What people fail to realize is some of the blame
needs to go to Payton and Brees and heres why. Yes the PI should of been called but it should of never came to that.
1st and 10 from the 13 with i think 1:50 left. Rams have 2 timeouts left. Under no circumstances do you throw the ball in this situation. You run the ball twice make the Rams burn there last timeouts. Then on 3rd down you run it again and then kick the FG with a minute left and Rams have no timeouts left when they get the ball. i get it they had a run call on 1st down and the box was loaded so he changed it to a pass. Nooooooooooooooo you run the ball there and do not change the play call. Payton should of told Brees run the play and do not audible out of it. Instead we throw the ball incomplete pass and Rams have a free timeout there.
So instead of Rams having the ball with a minute left or less and no timeouts they have it with a 1:40 left and one timeout left. Thats a big difference. Go ahead and bash or downvote i really dont care but thats what should of happened. This was the championship game to go to the Super bowl not some regular season game. You do not audible out of the run play plain and simple.
Brees had a better QB rating than Goff in this game. He was trying to get one more first down to FULLY run the clock down WHICH WOULD HAVE HAPPENED HAD THE FLAG BEEN THROWN. Under your scenario the Rams have around a minute left.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:24 pm to Tiger985
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I upvoted you.
We should be able to have a conversation about this separate from the blown no call.
I mean it's situational football. Sure at any other time you check out of the run play but the priority here is to run the damn ball and force the use of the time-outs.
Payton is a great coach but if he has any weakness it's in these situations where his aggressiveness get the best of him. Some call it being too cute.
I mean there is a huge difference in the Rams having 1:40 AND a timeout and having 1:00 with NO time outs.
I'm not saying they should have kneeled it, you still try for the first down but you run it 3 times
You have the NFL's most accurate passer of not just THIS season, but all time, throwing to the NFL's leader in receptions. No QB/WR was more successful in completing passes this season. None! Yes, there is risk in throwing the ball there, but I would say it's a pretty calculated risk when you consider who is throwing the ball and who it is being thrown to.
Best case scenario:
Thomas catches it and picks up a 1st down. If that happens the Rams have to call their second TO. Run it on first down and the Rams call their final TO. After that you kneel twice and kick the GW FG without them ever touching the ball again.
Better than 50% scenario:
Thomas catches the ball. He comes up short of the 1st down, but it still forces the Rams to use their second TO. Now you have 2nd and medium/short to run twice. Either way, the Rams are now out of TO's. And if you get the 1st down, game over.
Unfortunately, the incompletion happened. But hindsight is 20/20. If I told you before the game that you were going to need one pass and catch to win the game, would you take ANY COMBO over Brees to Thomas?
If it were Brees to Dan Arnold, Hill, or ANY OTHER receiver, I might agree. But you have to trust the combo of Brees/Thomas.
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I mean there is a huge difference in the Rams having 1:40 AND a timeout and having 1:00 with NO time outs.
No, there isn't a huge difference. They kicked a fricking 57 yard FG to win. It's reasonable to think they could have gotten 35 yards or so in 1:00. Payton tried to end the game without LA ever touching the ball again. I'm completely ok with that move.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:38 pm to Tiger985
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I'm not saying they should have kneeled it, you still try for the first down but you run it 3 times.
I would have had Taysom Hill in the game instead of Drew.
Three running plays might have even gotten a first down or if you happen to have a wide open pass to the endzone do it.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:56 pm to Rohan Gravy
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I would have had Taysom Hill in the game instead of Drew.
thats a legit interesting take
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:00 pm to Double Oh
You idiots kill me. What happened before has ZERO bearing. That call is right the game is over. Seriously?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:00 pm to Double Oh
The call was horrible and egregious and changed the outcome.
That said, you are correct... the Saints absolutely should have ran the ball on 1st/2nd and made the Rams use their timeouts. Even if the saints decide to pass on 3rd down, at least the Rams are out of timeouts on the ensuing drive instead of having the 1 left.
Both things can be true at the same time:
-horrible call by officials
-Saints should have ran the ball on 1st and 2nd down
It’s not an either/or pick-a-side deal... both things are true.
That said, you are correct... the Saints absolutely should have ran the ball on 1st/2nd and made the Rams use their timeouts. Even if the saints decide to pass on 3rd down, at least the Rams are out of timeouts on the ensuing drive instead of having the 1 left.
Both things can be true at the same time:
-horrible call by officials
-Saints should have ran the ball on 1st and 2nd down
It’s not an either/or pick-a-side deal... both things are true.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:25 pm to Double Oh
you thought you were so smart with typing all of that drivel didnt you? 
yes we all agree the game shouldnt have been allowed to be close enough for the refs to rig the game and its mainly bad play calling on paytons part.
he often makes WTF play calls at times and it bit us in the arse this time but still we were in position to win even after the blatant cheating by the refs
a freak hit on brees arm combined with uncalled PI again and the player committing PI fell down while holding and shoving the receiver and the ball simply lands on top of him. you cant make that shite up for a movie even.
yes we all agree the game shouldnt have been allowed to be close enough for the refs to rig the game and its mainly bad play calling on paytons part.
he often makes WTF play calls at times and it bit us in the arse this time but still we were in position to win even after the blatant cheating by the refs
a freak hit on brees arm combined with uncalled PI again and the player committing PI fell down while holding and shoving the receiver and the ball simply lands on top of him. you cant make that shite up for a movie even.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:38 pm to Double Oh
I get your point but Payton is an aggressive coach and sometimes it backfires. An onside kick to start the 2nd half in the Super bowl wasn’t an ideal time either but it worked.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:03 pm to Double Oh
Rams had 9 in the box and were in cover 0. I trust brees 99/100 to throw a strike on a quick slant to Thomas. If they execute that as the normally do we aren’t having this convo and we are inbthw super bowl. Thomas either scores or better yet, falls down at the one and we run the clock and lutz kicks a 10yd fg as time expires
Running the ball saves maybe 30 seconds which would have mattered very little considering how well the rams had been moving the ball and the length of Zuerlein leg.
Running the ball saves maybe 30 seconds which would have mattered very little considering how well the rams had been moving the ball and the length of Zuerlein leg.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:33 pm to Double Oh
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needs to go to Payton and Brees and heres why. Yes the PI should of been called but it should of never came to that.
People that say what you are saying fail to take in one huge factor.
Sure, the Saints didn't play their best and yes, they could have done x, y and z. But, one game doesn't constitute a season, and the Saints played some really great football during the year to put themselves at home and in a position to make it to the Super Bowl. And not only did that call rob them of a trip to the Super Bowl, but that call basically wiped out all the things the Saints did up until that point. And that includes off season workouts, practices and hours and hours of meetings. And one cheating call should never do that!
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:42 pm to Double Oh
we did get outscored 26-10 after the first Q in a place we swore nobody could come in and beat us. as horseshite as the call was, i wish we executed a lot more before letting some dumb frick ref have control of the ending
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:44 pm to JPLSU1981
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Both things can be true at the same time: -horrible call by officials -Saints should have ran the ball on 1st and 2nd down
It’s not an either/or pick-a-side deal... both things are true.
Correct
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:46 pm to Revelator
Josh Hill gets ear blasted in the game and never returns because of concussion protocol no penalty there either.
LSU had at least 4 players thrown out of games for alleged targeting as bad as CF refs are you mean these blind NFL shitty refs can't see this either with all the talk of protecting players and concussions.
I saw the photoshop pic of the refs with blindfolds on during a game in reference to the shitty movie Bird Box I thought it was appropriate. Hope much more comes of this than an apology from the NFL and future changes.
LSU had at least 4 players thrown out of games for alleged targeting as bad as CF refs are you mean these blind NFL shitty refs can't see this either with all the talk of protecting players and concussions.
I saw the photoshop pic of the refs with blindfolds on during a game in reference to the shitty movie Bird Box I thought it was appropriate. Hope much more comes of this than an apology from the NFL and future changes.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 3:53 pm to Geauxld Finger
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Rams had 9 in the box and were in cover 0. I trust brees 99/100 to throw a strike on a quick slant to Thomas. If they execute that as the normally do we aren’t having this convo and we are inbthw super bowl. Thomas either scores or better yet, falls down at the one and we run the clock and lutz kicks a 10yd fg as time expires
Running the ball saves maybe 30 seconds which would have mattered very little considering how well the rams had been moving the ball and the length of Zuerlein leg.
Thank God someone gets it.
We're not talking about Nathan Peterman throwing to Kelvin Benjamin. This is a combo that connected on nearly 90% of their passes this season. The ONLY reason the Rams had a TO remaining AFTER the Lutz FG is because they fricking hammered a WR who trying to catch a pass before the pass even got to him.
If the Saints run it 3 times it's unlikely they pick up the first down. That still leaves LA with time to set up a game tying FG. One in which they only needed to gain ~30 yards to attempt. Hell, they made it to the Saints' 50 in 40 seconds en route to the tying FG as is.
The pass was intended for one reason and one reason only, to do everything possible to make sure the Rams didn't touch the ball again. The risk of running the ball 3 times was that you likely left the opponent a minute or so to drive for a FG. So the analysis (without the benefit of hindsight) is what is more probable: Thomas and Brees hook up (something they've done nearly 90% of the time all season) or the Rams drive for a FG when they get the ball back?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 4:18 pm to Alt26
TLL lined up uncovered. Drew saw that. Great read. We're going to ATL if not for an illegal play
Posted on 1/22/19 at 4:22 pm to Double Oh
Agree nobody talks about this
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