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re: What people fail to realize is some of the blame
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:29 pm to Godfather1
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:29 pm to Godfather1
And you’re a fricking idiot
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:31 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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his is irrelevant.
Yes...while watching the game I said out loud that I'd have run the ball three time for the purpose of forcing them to burn their TO's and run most but not all of the clock.
And yet, despite having the first down incomplete had the third down play been called correctly, they'd have won.
Point is, the cal was not the ONLY reason the Saints lost, but had it been called correctly they most certainly would have won. The second part is the most important thing.
In addition, people sometimes fails to grasp that a football game (or any sport for that matter) is no played in isolation where they can simply go back throughout the game and pick and choose which parts to change while thinking the rest of the game would have played out exactly as it ended up doing. Had the Saints done better earlier, it could very well have meant that McVay was forced to call different, more effective plays and the Rams may have caught up faster and pulled ahead.
The ONLY TIME in a game where you can realistically do that is at the very end when there is no time left for the alternate reality to play out. The only way the Saints lose had the PI been called would have been if the kicker missed the chipshot, or the Rams miraculously scored on the KO or one long Hail Mary play.
I would of take my chances with less than a minute left that they run the KO back or hit a hail mary every day of the week and twice on sunday
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:32 pm to Double Oh
What you fail to realize is Greg Zuerlein probably has the leg to make it from 70 yds. SP knew this and was trying to get 7. It's a TD without the intentional non existent PI. I believe there was actually a run play called but Brees noticed the confusion with the defense and called an audible to pass. (Hints why Robey-Coleman bee lined straight for TLL ,he had no idea where the ball was.)
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:33 pm to Double Oh
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Run the ball-Timeout
Run the ball-Timeout
Run the ball bleed the clock down to a minute or less kick FG and leave them with no timeouts thats the correct sequence in that situation plain and simple.
100% exactly what I'd have done...but that doesn't make it "correct." Just the traditional way of doing it. the safer bet so to speak.
And yet, despite not doing it that way...the Saints put themselves into a position to do even more, and that's run the ENTIRE clock down and kick the walk off FG. the only thing that prevented that outcome was a horrible non call.
The fact that the call was not made does not make Payton's choice wrong unless you assume he knew he'd get hosed on a call like that and decided to run on first down anyway.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:34 pm to emt007
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What you fail to realize is Greg Zuerlein probably has the leg to make it from 70 yds. SP knew this and was trying to get 7. It's a TD without the intentional non existent PI. I believe there was actually a run play called but Brees noticed the confusion with the defense and called an audible to pass. (Hints why Robey-Coleman bee lined straight for TLL ,he had no idea where the ball was.)
No it was the first down play the was a run and he audibled out of. The 3rd down play we had no choice but to throw it to try and pick the first down up because clock was stopped at that point.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:35 pm to CraigBLSU
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And you’re a fricking idiot
Solid argument. Would read again.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:36 pm to Double Oh
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What people fail to realize is some of the blame
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So instead of Rams having the ball with a minute left or less and no timeouts they have it with a 1:40 left and one timeout left. Thats a big difference. Go ahead and bash or downvote i really dont care but thats what should of happened. This was the championship game to go to the Super bowl not some regular season game. You do not audible out of the run play plain and simple.
bullshite!
And if he would've caught it and we won, you wouldn't have said a damn word about any of it!!
Hindsight is 20/20 my friend!
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:37 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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100% exactly what I'd have done...but that doesn't make it "correct." Just the traditional way of doing it. the safer bet so to speak.
And yet, despite not doing it that way...the Saints put themselves into a position to do even more, and that's run the ENTIRE clock down and kick the walk off FG. the only thing that prevented that outcome was a horrible non call.
The fact that the call was not made does not make Payton's choice wrong unless you assume he knew he'd get hosed on a call like that and decided to run on first down anyway.
Yes the safer thing to do you are correct. And again you throw it in a regular season game not in this game at that point in time thats my whole point. Dont let the refs try and decide the game for you you have to dictate the game at that point. Run the ball kick the FG and leave them with no timeouts
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:39 pm to Double Oh
I stand corrected. Either way, it was a mismatch. His only mission was to take out Lewis. I believe its a TD if he doesn't get there.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:40 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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bullshite!
And if he would've caught it and we won, you wouldn't have said a damn word about any of it!!
Nope homie i was in the stands saying do not throw the ball anymore dont do it. And what he do he threw it. If he would of thrown it and scored i still would of said that was no the right thing to do but he got away with it. What if he would of thrown the ball and it got intercepted and run all the way back what the fuk would you have said then Einstein???
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:43 pm to Double Oh
I'm tired of reading this garbage from you people who have the intellect of a fricking doorknob.
Listen, mistakes made during the game and that frick up of a no-call don't have to be mutually exclusive.
One doesn't have to be false for the other to be true. Both can be true, at the same time. But at the same time, you can also look at each in a vacuum.
The entire point is that none of your post is necessary. In every football game in human history there have been mistakes that each team has made that could have swung the game in another direction. We fricking know. It doesn't change the fact that we were screwed over by the no-call.
Listen, mistakes made during the game and that frick up of a no-call don't have to be mutually exclusive.
One doesn't have to be false for the other to be true. Both can be true, at the same time. But at the same time, you can also look at each in a vacuum.
The entire point is that none of your post is necessary. In every football game in human history there have been mistakes that each team has made that could have swung the game in another direction. We fricking know. It doesn't change the fact that we were screwed over by the no-call.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:44 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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And if he would've caught it and we won, you wouldn't have said a damn word about any of it!!
The issue is attempting to argue in favor of an alternate reality.
On the one hand, we have what actually happened...and that the no call on the PI that would have enabled the Saints to burn clock and kick the walk off FG. Everyone agrees it should have been called, and everyone agrees that had it been called the outcome of the game would have been the exact opposite.
On the other, you have various attempts to suggest had other things been done earlier in the game (whether it was the Saints scoring TDs instead of FG's in the 1st quarter, to officials calling penalties earlier in the game, or Payton calling three run on the last drive to burn more clock) we'd have gotten different outcome...a more preferable one to the person suggesting it.
The problem with doing this is that we have no idea what would have played out had that other thing been done. What would the reaction have been had they run it three time and kicked the FG and allowed enough time for the Rams to march down and score a TD and win? Suddenly THAT decision would have been seen as "wrong" because it ultimately did not work out. Etc.
The only thing we know for near certainty is that the calls MADE put the Saints in a position to run the clock out and kick a walk off FG BUT FOR ONE OF THE WORST NON CALLS IN NFL HISTORY. That's the only alternate worth discussing, because it's only one we can comfortably say we know the alternate ending to.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:46 pm to Double Oh
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Run the ball-Timeout Run the ball-Timeout Run the ball bleed the clock down to a minute or less kick FG and leave them with no timeouts thats the correct sequence in that situation plain and simple.
Maybe this works in high school, but not in the NFL when the opposing team has a minute left and a kicker that can boot a field goal 65yds.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:47 pm to Double Oh
Apparently you forgot the Vikings game last season where not getting a first down or scoring a TD allowed that miraculous BS to happen. They would’ve have 1 minute and no timeouts and a FG kicker with a cannon for a leg. They were playing to win. Your assessment is wrong.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:47 pm to Double Oh
So you’re the guy who blames a murder victim for getting shot because he shouldn’t have been in the wrong location.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:47 pm to Double Oh
I upvoted you.
We should be able to have a conversation about this separate from the blown no call.
I mean it's situational football. Sure at any other time you check out of the run play but the priority here is to run the damn ball and force the use of the time-outs.
Payton is a great coach but if he has any weakness it's in these situations where his aggressiveness get the best of him. Some call it being too cute.
I mean there is a huge difference in the Rams having 1:40 AND a timeout and having 1:00 with NO time outs.
I'm not saying they should have kneeled it, you still try for the first down but you run it 3 times.
We should be able to have a conversation about this separate from the blown no call.
I mean it's situational football. Sure at any other time you check out of the run play but the priority here is to run the damn ball and force the use of the time-outs.
Payton is a great coach but if he has any weakness it's in these situations where his aggressiveness get the best of him. Some call it being too cute.
I mean there is a huge difference in the Rams having 1:40 AND a timeout and having 1:00 with NO time outs.
I'm not saying they should have kneeled it, you still try for the first down but you run it 3 times.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:48 pm to LafTiger
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So you’re the guy who blames a murder victim for getting shot because he shouldn’t have been in the wrong location.
exactly the analogy I was trying to come up with
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:49 pm to Double Oh
You clearly don’t understand the NFL today. He was trying to win the game and he did, we just got screwed.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:56 pm to Double Oh
We can say "what if" to every single playcall fam.
There are so many questionable calls in NFL (sports in general for that matter) that ended up winning the game.
I'm not callin out your football knowledge, I'm just sayin you can say "what if" to any play's outcome.
There are so many questionable calls in NFL (sports in general for that matter) that ended up winning the game.
I'm not callin out your football knowledge, I'm just sayin you can say "what if" to any play's outcome.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:13 pm to Double Oh
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PI should of been called but it should of never came to that.
should have
should have
why the frick should we listen to anything you say when you can't even grasp the fundamentals of the english language
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