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Posted on 1/31/25 at 1:56 pm to Fun Bunch
This is what I believe to most likely be happening behind the scenes.
McCarthy was interested but since the saints did not make him an offer over the rest of the candidates available, he removed himself. He is by far the most qualified of all and to sit around competing for the job with the kindergartners is a really bad look for him.
Brady was never a serious option for the Saints. This was a really awkward position for the saints and Brady because he served one year in the org and no one really even knew who he was. He was very low level staff. So how do you suddenly elevate a guy that was just above waterboy to your HC? Just awkward!
Moore I believe is the guy Loomis has settled on but it's going to take a big sales job and creative contract for it to work out. There are jobs you just have to pass on, and this is that job for Moore. This job is the same Raiders rap that is pinned on Dennis Allen. Moore has no path to a winning record for at least 3 years no matter how great a coach he might be. That is a big hole to start from for a young first time HC. Depending on how the Eagles fare in the SB, Moor could be the top HC candidate next year if he declines the Saints. If I am Moore, I pass. If Moore does take the job, I expect it to be done this weekend as that is not uncommon for a coach in the SB to announce the week before the game.
So that leaves the saints with Weaver, Kafka, and Rizzi. I think Kafka get the nod of those just because he does have some HC experience and would likely accept a prove it type contract to get through cap hell.
McCarthy was interested but since the saints did not make him an offer over the rest of the candidates available, he removed himself. He is by far the most qualified of all and to sit around competing for the job with the kindergartners is a really bad look for him.
Brady was never a serious option for the Saints. This was a really awkward position for the saints and Brady because he served one year in the org and no one really even knew who he was. He was very low level staff. So how do you suddenly elevate a guy that was just above waterboy to your HC? Just awkward!
Moore I believe is the guy Loomis has settled on but it's going to take a big sales job and creative contract for it to work out. There are jobs you just have to pass on, and this is that job for Moore. This job is the same Raiders rap that is pinned on Dennis Allen. Moore has no path to a winning record for at least 3 years no matter how great a coach he might be. That is a big hole to start from for a young first time HC. Depending on how the Eagles fare in the SB, Moor could be the top HC candidate next year if he declines the Saints. If I am Moore, I pass. If Moore does take the job, I expect it to be done this weekend as that is not uncommon for a coach in the SB to announce the week before the game.
So that leaves the saints with Weaver, Kafka, and Rizzi. I think Kafka get the nod of those just because he does have some HC experience and would likely accept a prove it type contract to get through cap hell.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:02 pm to fwtex
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He was very low level staff. So how do you suddenly elevate a guy that was just above waterboy to your HC? Just awkward!
This incredibly stupid on many levels.
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Depending on how the Eagles fare in the SB, Moor could be the top HC candidate next year if he declines the Saints.
No front office bases a hire off one game. He won't be the top candidate but he will get an offer for a head job.
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would likely accept a prove it type contract to get through cap hell.
Why would anyone take a prove it contract to get through cap hell? The Saints job a recipe to get fired. Whoever gets the job will want significant money to possibly take a black on their resume.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:05 pm to fwtex
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So that leaves the saints with Weaver, Kafka, and Rizzi. I think Kafka get the nod of those just because he does have some HC experience and would likely accept a prove it type contract to get through cap hell.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:43 pm to Dizz
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Why would anyone take a prove it contract to get through cap hell? The Saints job a recipe to get fired. Whoever gets the job will want significant money to possibly take a black on their resume.
There are some coaches that believe being a HC and driving the bus outweighs the negative impact a bad record would have on their resume. That does not mean they don't care about winning, but their personality is that they are going to be their best and not worry about their career record. Some coaches know they are not going to be a top candidate for an elite org and have to take a dog if that is what it takes to be a HC.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:59 pm to fwtex
I agree that there is a coach other there that will take the job regardless but no one is doing a "prove it deal". "Hey come in and build a foundation on a one year deal". You wont get player buy in and no coach would do that.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This sounds like the cope that kept being repeated in my thread about how terrible our status would be in this search.
its not coping to anything its reality.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:20 pm to CBandits82
While this does suck in 2-3 years it will not be hard to find a new coach. The board will be cleared and you can get someone who will legitimately be able to build something.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:29 pm to Dizz
As F*ed up as it is to say this, we do not know this to be true. I have a hard time believing Mickey will go out and "find that one or two missing pieces" and sign them to a big signing bonus that is back loaded with void years; but the reality is he is still a loose cannon. He did not do it last year, although we could have done without the Chase Young deal; but there was a point during the season where it appeared he was about to do it for Davante Adams.
IMO, his approach to free agency this offseason will tell me if he's accepted the fact he needs to allow the bill to come due and get out of this constant hole, or if he's going to continue to apply for some new credit cards to pay the minimum balance on the current credit cards
IMO, his approach to free agency this offseason will tell me if he's accepted the fact he needs to allow the bill to come due and get out of this constant hole, or if he's going to continue to apply for some new credit cards to pay the minimum balance on the current credit cards
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:34 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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IMO, his approach to free agency this offseason will tell me if he's accepted the fact he needs to allow the bill to come due and get out of this constant hole, or if he's going to continue to apply for some new credit cards to pay the minimum balance on the current credit cards
I agree, there was a false feeling of some type of core that might get you to the playoffs if you had one or two more guys. That ship has sailed. He is a gambler trying for one last hot streak the past two years. They brought in Carr and give it a run but that has failed and the bill is due. He can't go get any big missing pieces because there is not cap.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:57 pm to Townedrunkard
If Moore has any sense, he should decline it. That would help push Loomis out the door. I just can’t see any coach staking their future on Carr or Rattler or Haener.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 4:10 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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He did not do it last year, although we could have done without the Chase Young deal; but there was a point during the season where it appeared he was about to do it for Davante Adams.
IMO, his approach to free agency this offseason will tell me if he's accepted the fact he needs to allow the bill to come due and get out of this constant hole, or if he's going to continue to apply for some new credit cards to pay the minimum balance on the current credit cards
1) In the offseason, Loomis and Allen were still on the “continuity”/“we can fix this” train. The Chase Young signing was a very reasonable signing and doesn’t impact our cap going forward.
2) I think with Allen being fired and Lattimore being traded, we have a general sense that we are in “rebuild” mode and not “big splash singing” mode. I think.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 4:25 pm to fwtex
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Russini: There's "scuttlebutt" that Moore allegedly "may" decline job
Maybe, but he just agreed to a third interview that will take place after the game.
I think it’s more likely he will acquiesce to the terms than decline the contract.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 4:38 pm to Suntiger
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The Chase Young signing was a very reasonable signing and doesn’t impact our cap going forward.
$9M cap hit this year due to void years that will be dead money this year if not extended before new NFl year
Posted on 1/31/25 at 4:57 pm to Suntiger
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2) I think with Allen being fired and Lattimore being traded, we have a general sense that we are in “rebuild” mode and not “big splash singing” mode. I think.
Good luck with that. Think it was Underhill that was on the radio around tge trade deadline. And he said this front office will not do what is necessary to rebuild. He said everyone else outside the building knows what needs to be done, but Loomis will not do it.
Perfect example, he could have traded Chase for something at the deadline and didn’t. We woukd have got half his salary back in cap savings since he was on a one year guaranteed deal. Absolutely no reason not to trade him.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 5:00 pm to Townedrunkard
Will be the next coach..
Posted on 1/31/25 at 5:26 pm to LSUZombie
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If Moore is out, then it'll likely be Kafka.
This. Hence the whole “candidates haven’t been told they’re out of the running”
Posted on 1/31/25 at 6:30 pm to Fun Bunch
That doesn't make sense. Carr is no Brees or running QB, but he's highly serviceable and not the problem in NOLA. Rattler has had his down moments but has had really good flashes for a rookie. There's always the draft, too...
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:33 pm to Fun Bunch
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If tweet fails to load, click here. In other words, she's walking back the notion that Kellen Moore is not sold on the Saints job.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:14 pm to Fun Bunch
This would create leverage to tell Loomis - dump vets, tank 25, and draft a franchise QB in 26 and I’m you’re guy.
I can wish, right?
I can wish, right?
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