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Question about Loomis' draft comments
Posted on 5/1/22 at 9:12 am
Posted on 5/1/22 at 9:12 am
In addressing the media he made a statement about all of the draft picks. Don't know if it was true, but he made the blanket statement.
He said that they drafted the same type of athlete. All of the Saints picks were Seniors, Captains on their teams and high character guys.
I understand that to a degree, but it makes me wonder if they are not leaving a few guys on the board that possess more talent, but they are checking a box by taking a Senior or a Captain.
He said that they drafted the same type of athlete. All of the Saints picks were Seniors, Captains on their teams and high character guys.
I understand that to a degree, but it makes me wonder if they are not leaving a few guys on the board that possess more talent, but they are checking a box by taking a Senior or a Captain.
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Posted on 5/1/22 at 9:18 am to tigerterrace
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wonder if they are not leaving a few guys on the board that possess more talent,
In favor of good players with high character ?
Sounds like there is hope for the NFL after all. At least as far as the New Orleans Saints are concerned.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 9:20 am to tigerterrace
youre right...theyre totally clueless.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 9:22 am to DomincDecoco
Protecting the locker room
Posted on 5/1/22 at 9:26 am to tigerterrace
I believe the question would then be how much more talent.
And the only correct answer is we all have to ..."wait and see".
I'm sure the scouting dept is keeping track of who wanted who and why.
It's how they get better.
And the only correct answer is we all have to ..."wait and see".
I'm sure the scouting dept is keeping track of who wanted who and why.
It's how they get better.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 9:41 am to tigerterrace
Well the Raiders have taken the opposite approach and look what it got them...
Posted on 5/1/22 at 9:59 am to tigerterrace
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understand that to a degree, but it makes me wonder if they are not leaving a few guys on the board that possess more talent, but they are checking a box by taking a Senior or a Captain.
Might there have been an 86 madden rating left and they took an 85 with leadership and experience? Sure.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 10:01 am to tigerterrace
It’s just coach speak.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 10:02 am to NoSaint
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Might there have been an 86 madden rating left and they took an 85 with leadership and experience?
I’m starting to think there are a few posters who put more stock in Madden ratings and Kipers big board than some of the best defensive coaches in the NFL.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 10:03 am to tigerterrace
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they are checking a box by taking a Senior or a Captain.
I have no problem with checking that box.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 10:19 am to tigerterrace
Loomis’ comment would read to me that the Saints want high character players who are leaders on the field and in the locker room to continue the culture. They are also more polished coming out of college and are banking more on their readiness to play and less on potential or being combine warriors.
This post was edited on 5/1/22 at 10:52 am
Posted on 5/1/22 at 10:24 am to tigerterrace
I have no problem with the draft.
The way I look at it is there are big school "A" prospects, "B" prospects, and "C" prospects. Then you have the smaller conference "A" prospects. I think the small school prospects become more valuable when they are consistently dominant at their position and they exhibit leadership.
I think kiper is heavily weighted on physical skill. I think character and leadership qualities show a player has the ability to play above their natural skill level to a certain degree and raise the level of play of their teammates.
The way I look at it is there are big school "A" prospects, "B" prospects, and "C" prospects. Then you have the smaller conference "A" prospects. I think the small school prospects become more valuable when they are consistently dominant at their position and they exhibit leadership.
I think kiper is heavily weighted on physical skill. I think character and leadership qualities show a player has the ability to play above their natural skill level to a certain degree and raise the level of play of their teammates.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 10:59 am to tigerterrace
The head cases with all the talent don’t play after they get arrested and suspended
Posted on 5/1/22 at 11:06 am to tigerterrace
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Senior or a Captain.
Maturity and leadership qualities. Sounds like part of a good formula to me.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 11:26 am to hellsu
Yeah, these guys are about to get hit with life-changing money. You want someone who can handle that.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 11:30 am to tigerterrace
Well he didn’t say it’s an either/or. Loomis/Ireland have been said to have a certain type of player they like. (I can’t remember what the scale is they used but someone here will know what I’m talking about. Sorry for being vague). They draft those players. It’s works thus far. They are really good and adding talent especially in the late rounds.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 11:45 am to tigerterrace
Depends what they are looking for.
Think of a coach as a hiring manager for a company.
Do you want to work with someone you feel best suits your philosophy? Is a leader? May go along better with team concept?
Or get someone that others, outside your organization, feel you should go with because they believe that person is more talented?
You are the hiring manager, you have to validate your job.
Those outside your organization don't have to feel that pressure, whether they are right or wrong
Keep in mind , these hiring managers might have missed out on other talent because another company snatched them up, so you go with your next best option. This is his way of justifying his pics.
Think of a coach as a hiring manager for a company.
Do you want to work with someone you feel best suits your philosophy? Is a leader? May go along better with team concept?
Or get someone that others, outside your organization, feel you should go with because they believe that person is more talented?
You are the hiring manager, you have to validate your job.
Those outside your organization don't have to feel that pressure, whether they are right or wrong
Keep in mind , these hiring managers might have missed out on other talent because another company snatched them up, so you go with your next best option. This is his way of justifying his pics.
This post was edited on 5/1/22 at 11:48 am
Posted on 5/1/22 at 12:21 pm to saintlad74
Thinking we are sacrificing atheltic ability for character is a false dilemma. You can have both if you look hard enough. The Saints are big on RAS scores and never pick players with a low Relative Athletic Score. They add character as another criterion to their selection formula. It doesn't mean they are going to hit on all their picks (no team does), but to think they are picking character over athletic ability ignores their actual draft formula.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 1:48 pm to tigerterrace
There’s a reason the Saints are thought to have the best locker room culture in the NFL. They have been doing this for several years now after the disastrous 2014 draft Sean purged the roster in 2015 but also signed guys like Brandon Browner so another purge had to come after that one. Now they take character as the #1 trait everyone must have and it’s worked. Don’t fix what isn’t broken.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 9:55 pm to tigerterrace
He likely means its one of their primary points of emphasis when scouting/grading out prospects.
I seriously doubt they would pass up a bonafide stud bc another less talented player was a Captain or a 4th/5th Year Senior!!
I seriously doubt they would pass up a bonafide stud bc another less talented player was a Captain or a 4th/5th Year Senior!!
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