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re: Let it be known...This is the true face of the man that murdered a beloved Saint
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:32 pm to diat150
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:32 pm to diat150
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then will says I have a gun also and then enters his truck to retrieve it, this guy gets off.
I know nothing of the law, but wouldn't they say if he felt threatened by Will, he should have got in his hummer and left instead of following him, or does just the threat of the gun throw all of that out the window?
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Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:36 pm to sicboy
All I can say is one can't threaten one w a gun and then legally able to shoot someone looking to protect themselves from threat made.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:36 pm to sicboy
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I know nothing of the law, but wouldn't they say if he felt threatened by Will, he should have got in his hummer and left instead of following him, or does just the threat of the gun throw all of that out the window?
you dont have to retreat. how fast could he retreat? they were 10 feet apart at most.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:38 pm to Chad504boy
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All I can say is one can't threaten one w a gun and then legally able to shoot someone looking to protect themselves from threat made.
that sounds like a chad law
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:40 pm to diat150
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you dont have to retreat.
That isn't necessarily the case
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:41 pm to diat150
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you dont have to retreat. how fast could he retreat? they were 10 feet apart at most.
and where was he supposed to retreat to? backing down a narrow, one way LGD street in a hurry in an H2 is gonna be real tough.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:41 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
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and where was he supposed to retreat to?
his vehicle
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:43 pm to Fun Bunch
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his vehicle
and then just sit in it and get shot? their driver's side doors were like 5 ft apart.
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:44 pm to Fun Bunch
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That isn't necessarily the case
I disagree
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Any person "who is in a place where he or she has a right," including a public space, does not have an obligation "to retreat" if faced with a real or perceived threat and "may stand his or her ground and meet force with force."
assuming that smith was the aggressor
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:44 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
Start it and leave.
Extricate yourself from the situation.
Extricate yourself from the situation.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:46 pm to Lester Earl
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that sounds like a chad law
Person A makes a gun threat to person B, person B retreats for weapon, Person A can legally shoot person B?
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:46 pm to diat150
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I disagree
Well, you'd be wrong. And you put at least one situation where it wouldn't necessarily be the case in your very own post. There are others.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:49 pm to Chad504boy
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B, person B retreats for weapon, Person A can legally shoot person B?
didnt the video on nola.com sound like "will said he had a gun, and then hayes said he does too?" not vice versa?
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:54 pm to oleyeller
I didn't hear that.
Also, if Hayes was engaged in "unlawful activity", he can't use Stand Your Ground.
Intentionally rear-ending Smith's vehicle (if that was the case) could be seen as both "being the aggressor" and "engaging in unlawful activity".
Also, if Hayes was engaged in "unlawful activity", he can't use Stand Your Ground.
Intentionally rear-ending Smith's vehicle (if that was the case) could be seen as both "being the aggressor" and "engaging in unlawful activity".
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:55 pm to Chad504boy
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Person A makes a gun threat to person B, person B retreats for weapon, Person A can legally shoot person B?
if you can determine who the aggressor is, sure.
this scenario isnt that simple. Both guys were arguing. Both were irate according to eyewitnesses.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:57 pm to oleyeller
Ok i listened to it again.
Witness clearly states "guy starts freaking out on the guy saying i'm going to fight you " (referring to shooter)
He says will says "get out of here, i have a gun"
Shooter "frick ya'll i got one too, starts shooting him dead"
Witness clearly states "guy starts freaking out on the guy saying i'm going to fight you " (referring to shooter)
He says will says "get out of here, i have a gun"
Shooter "frick ya'll i got one too, starts shooting him dead"
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:57 pm to Fun Bunch
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Intentionally rear-ending Smith's vehicle (if that was the case) could be seen as both "being the aggressor" and "engaging in unlawful activity".
see here is the thing. No one knows now. We are all speculating things.. you posted this, others posted will brake checked him. No one knows! We can all speculate and assume, but until real facts start to come out we have no idea right now.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:58 pm to Lester Earl
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if you can determine who the aggressor is, sure.
intentionally rear-ending Smith would make a pretty good argument for Hayes being the aggressor. IF that was the case.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:58 pm to Lester Earl
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if you can determine who the aggressor is, sure.
listen to witness video again, he says hayes was yelling at will get here i'm going to fight you or something then says will says get out of here, i have a gun, shooter "frick ya'll i got one too". witnesses said shoots him IN THE BACK and dead.
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 12:59 pm
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