re: Did Saints waste two draft picks on MI22

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for the 28th pick he might be ok, but the Saints gave up their 2012 first rounder, even if you figured that to be in the 28 range, that's too much for 1 RB, unless he becomes AD or LT and that was unlikely, especially given type of offense the Saints run.

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I forgot he costed another pick, yeah I can see why everyone is not jumping on board now.

At least you know he won't be as bad as Maroney.

Could have taken Ridley for much less and got the same production.

I think it remains to be seen. If the OL blocks like they did yesterday I think he will have more success.

It was a glaring position of need. I dont think they gave up that much. They are just -1 as far as draft picks. Not that big of deal, even if he doesn't work out.

He may never be a star but he will be more than serviceable

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It was a glaring position of need

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if you figure 5 guys are going to get hurt every year maybe. It was mind numbingly stupid to trade an extra pick after giving Thomas a new contract and then signing Sproles.

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. They are just -1 as far as draft picks. Not that big of deal, even if he doesn't work out.

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-1 first rounder is different than being -1 4th.

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He may never be a star but he will be more than serviceable

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You use 2 picks on someone he needs to be more than servicable. Its a waste given the position.

First off we are being stupid to think Ingram was a wasted pick.

Look at what the situation was at the time of the draft. Our running backs were Thomas (finished season injured) Ivory ( finished season injured) and Bush (finished season injured and was due too much money to retain).

The Saints unlike their fans had learned from the mistake of going into a playoff game with no running game. The Saints wanted to get rid of Bush but had to get a running back to do so even if that back did not provide the same skill set as Bush. I believe all along the Saints were going to draft Ingram and then Jordan fell to them. The Saints took Jordan as he provided better value but instead of just resting on what they had done were still trying to fix the RB situation. Drafting Ingram was the right move and had it been Thomas who got nicked up instead of Ingram we would all be singing the front offices praises for having backup plans in place.

The Saints have built a team that can withstand any season ending injury to any player but Brees, and I am glad they have.

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The Saints unlike their fans had learned from the mistake of going into a playoff game with no running game

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then they are idiots, having all your RB's hurt is freakish bad luck. Plus they did not lose Seattle because of injuried RB's. They gave PT a new deal before the draft. but the broader point that most miss is it has nothing to do with Ingram per se. There is no need to draft a RB in the first round let alone give up a future first rounder for 1. It doesn't matter that he was rated as "the best RB" in this draft class. The Saints have proven over and over that they can find affective RB's (Thomas, Ivory, Bell, Hamilton, Sproles). The top 3 rushers in the NFL in 2010 were an undrafted FA, a 3rd and a 5th rounder. It was a bad pick, made to look much much worse given the performance so far from Ingram.

RB's shouldn't drafted in the first round unless they are a rare talent. Their NFL life is very short to begin with and most do not transition well. Like H-Town said, it's not about Ingram but about drafting a RB in the first round and giving up what they did for him.

You can look at what Atlanta gave up fo Julio, but really they had no other weakness last year then needing some more offensive weapons and a little help on defense. Saints already had two solid RBs(Ivory/Thomas) and traded for Sproles(new Reggie).

Too soon to tell.

did they overpay: yes

do I really like Ingram and think he can be a complete, intelligent, powerful back: yes

I'm honestly thinking that the biggest contributor to Ingram's non elite start is that he just doesn't get enough consistency with carries in this offense. Oh and our Oline was kind of sucking donkey balls for most of the games before he was hurt.