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re: Did Saints waste two draft picks on MI22
Posted on 11/7/11 at 11:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 11/7/11 at 11:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
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since we're so worried about injuried RB's we just throw away a 2nd or 1st round pick depending on how you want to look at it?
i dont see it as a "throw away", esp 9 games into the season. Its ridiculous to say that.
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most of us that thought/knew it was a bad move on draft day don't think you should ever use a first round pick on a RB, let alone 2 picks.
And that is just ignorant. Esp considering it was late 1st round. Not like they traded into the top 10 to get a RB, or traded a whole draft to pick a RB. Or that they are even paying him a lot of money.
People say shite like "you never take a RB in the 1st" that but fail to look at the specifics. It is and always will be one big, stupid, blanket statement. Not all RBs are the same; not all scenarios are the same.
You know what? Teams find good QBs in later rounds too. And good OL. And good LBs. And good WRs. It's not like RB is the only position where you can get value later in a draft.
Sure they could have waited, but they didn't. They thought the best RB in the draft should not have fell that far and made the call. You cant fault them for being aggressive.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 11:28 pm
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 11:33 pm to josh336
Meachem in 2009 was almost as valuable as Charles Grant was in 2006.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 11:50 pm to Lester Earl
OL, WRs, LBs>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RBs
shite, we have three RBs who could start at any time without Ingram. Our OL is average at best and our LBs are bottom of the league. Those positions are much harder to fill than RB.
shite, we have three RBs who could start at any time without Ingram. Our OL is average at best and our LBs are bottom of the league. Those positions are much harder to fill than RB.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 11:54 pm to NIH
Who do carries the ball in garbage time like late in the Colts game? I guess it's a good problem to have, but like you say i hate to be so stacked there when we have Roman Harper and Scott Shanle who shouldn't be in the NFL.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:00 am to NIH
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Our OL is average at best and our LBs are bottom of the league. Those positions are much harder to fill than RB.
we returned 4 of 5 starters on the OL and drafted Tennant last year who was supposed to be the Center of the future. (our 2 best OL were mid round picks, btw)
LB has been our biggest need for years. Like I said, I wont argue with that. This was a weak LB draft, however. There were like 1 or 2 4-3 LBs that went in the 1st two rounds. It was a strong OL year but all the elite guys went before pick 24.
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OL, WRs, LBs>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RBs
what does >>> mean? They are more important?
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:05 am to Lester Earl
I wish the Saints would have picked up Quan Sturdivant from UNC (went in 6th round to AZ).
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:08 am to Lester Earl
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returned 4 of 5 starters on the OL
and only two are worth a shite
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rafted Tennant last year who was supposed to be the Center of the future
and we let go a perfectly good center based on this with nothing to show for it in year two.
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what does >>> mean? They are more important?
no shite, sherlock. any a-hole who runs a sub 4.6 and has a few moves can be a servicable/decent NFL back with a line that blocks. finding OL, WRs, and LBs should ALWAYS be a priority over RBs.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:11 am to Esarhaddon
i wanted them to pick Navarro Bowman when they picked Charles Brown last year. 
i know you can get decent LBs later in the draft the same way you can with RBs. The Saints have just missed on just about every one through the last 10 years.
sedrick hodge
courtney watson
james allen
stanley arnoux
fincher
cie grant
literally have missed on every one
i know you can get decent LBs later in the draft the same way you can with RBs. The Saints have just missed on just about every one through the last 10 years.
sedrick hodge
courtney watson
james allen
stanley arnoux
fincher
cie grant
literally have missed on every one
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:14 am to NIH
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and only two are worth a shite
Bushrod has played well.
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and we let go a perfectly good center based on this with nothing to show for it in year two.
$$$$$$$$
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finding OL, WRs, and LBs should ALWAYS be a priority over RBs.
OL and LBs, yea, i agree. WR's in this offense are not that important.
and we are talking 1 pick. In order to take another player they would have had to deem one worthy at the same spot, and there really wasnt, especially at LB.
and with 4 returning OL it is quite easy to see why we didnt target one high in the draft.
RB was easily our biggest weakness outside of LB on this team. Easily.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:18 am to Lester Earl
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RB was easily our biggest weakness outside of LB on this team. Easily.
not really with PT/Bush/Ingram or Sproles when we had nabbed him in July. we didn't have great RBs in 2009 when we had a top 10 rushing offense. we just had a commitment to the run and our interior line play was actually consistent.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:23 am to NIH
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not really with PT/Bush/Ingram or Sproles when we had nabbed him in July
Pierre and Ivory are injury prone. That played a huge part.
at the point in the draft, Reggie was still on the team, and we pretty much knew he was gone; no one knew Sproles was going to come in 3 or 4 months later. You can't plan for that.
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we didn't have great RBs in 2009 when we had a top 10 rushing offense
Pierre Thomas is a really good RB when on the field. And Mike Bell has some talent, he was especially good in the beginning of the year before he tired out.
Bottom line is you still need someone dependable to tote the ball. We saw how bad it could get last year when our good RBs got injured; you obviously couldn't just plug in any smuck and how the wheels turned like normal. Tale of 2 tapes; you can talk 09 all you want but 10' proved to be the total opposite. And it was obviously fresh on our minds in April's draft
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:25 am to Lester Earl
that doesn't require the saints to have gone and spent a 1st round pick on a RB. there are options in FA and of course the other backs in the draft.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:29 am to NIH
it was definitely justifiable. Anyone that thinks otherwise has read too many SFP posts about simply plugging in a warm body to run the ball.
and yes they spent a 1st RD pick on a RB; the 28th damn pick of the draft. On a guy that was consensus #1 back in the draft. High character, hardworker, great results against SEC competition. It was justifiable. Its not like they traded the whole draft class to pick Ricky williams.
and yes they spent a 1st RD pick on a RB; the 28th damn pick of the draft. On a guy that was consensus #1 back in the draft. High character, hardworker, great results against SEC competition. It was justifiable. Its not like they traded the whole draft class to pick Ricky williams.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:49 am to Lester Earl
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Anyone that thinks otherwise has read too many SFP posts about simply plugging in a warm body to run the ball.
it's worked with two of our RBs on our depth chart
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:52 am to Lester Earl
We paid olin 2 mill and DLP i'm sure gets 1/2 mill
And we let Goodwin walk b/c we didn't want to pay the 3 mill he was asking.
Proven OL wth chemistry is worth that extra 1/2 mill. Big mistake that probably cost us the GB and tampa games where we got no push inside.
Bushrod and Brown cost us the Rams game.
And we let Goodwin walk b/c we didn't want to pay the 3 mill he was asking.
Proven OL wth chemistry is worth that extra 1/2 mill. Big mistake that probably cost us the GB and tampa games where we got no push inside.
Bushrod and Brown cost us the Rams game.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 5:57 am to TigerRantMan99
Yes...if it was Trent R. That would've been different of course he wouldn't have fell that far
Posted on 11/8/11 at 7:57 am to SuperRemo
re: Did Saints waste two draft picks on MI22
Waste?
No.
He's only 9 games into his NFL career.
Experts always show on Monday.. Don't mind those folks who at the time have other ideas (players)on what the F.O. should have done. Those who pontificate after the facts are just weak minded.
Waste?
No.
He's only 9 games into his NFL career.
Experts always show on Monday.. Don't mind those folks who at the time have other ideas (players)on what the F.O. should have done. Those who pontificate after the facts are just weak minded.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 8:03 am to goatmilker
Remember the Seattle game last year anyone? I agree with goatmilker, he is 9 games into his rookie year. Give the guy time, it will all be worked out without having draft picks.
Does anyone of ya'll really doubt this front office? Give me a break!
Does anyone of ya'll really doubt this front office? Give me a break!
Posted on 11/8/11 at 8:38 am to Nissanmaxima
Ingram was running through masses holes at bama. Also that knee injury at bama slowed him down. The incredable burst he showed in his junior year has never returned IMO
Posted on 11/8/11 at 9:12 am to Slapouttiger
I believe Ingram will pan out... It's only week 8. His worth will play off later in the season. I don't disagree with the pick especially after having no runningbacks in Seattle, and relying on Julius Jones/D. Wynn.
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