re: Did Saints waste two draft picks on MI22

Take a look at our D, its populated with either first round picks or UDFAs, almost in equal proportions.


1st rounders
jenkins
ellis
prob
smith
jordan
vilma
rogers
porter (high 2nd)
harper (high 2nd)

UDFA
casillas
shanle
dunbar
torrence
quddus
gallete
charleston
tom johnson
greer


Granted rogers, vilma and greer werent initially acquired by us but still the trend somewhat holds,

Odd way to build a D imho. You need more parity in talent and not just be top heavy. Although greer is the exception to the rule, usually udfa aren't your best players.

I would add patrick and wilson but they haven't contributed at all really this year and I can't project them in any way right now.

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Granted rogers, vilma and greer werent initially acquired by us but still the trend somewhat holds,

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U have to take them out of that. The cost to the Saints to add them to the team was not a first round pick.

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I would add patrick and wilson but they haven't contributed at all really this year and I can't project them in any way right now.

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Well that's talent evaluation not a draft strategy discussion they were still selected in the rounds u want the saints to draft in, due to drafting parity(which I don't really understand y that matters)

It was a waste especially since you need an offensive line first before you look for a powerful running back.

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Experts always show on Monday.. Don't mind those folks who at the time have other ideas (players)on what the F.O. should have done. Those who pontificate after the facts are just weak minded

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we can dig up the post draft threads if you like. Sorry that you can wrap your mind around the idea that there are people capable of judging the pick without considering the current stats. Hitting on 19 in black jack is stupid, even if you get a 2.

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Remember the Seattle game last year anyone?

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yes, do you think Ingram would have tackled Lynch or stopped Hasselback from tossing 4 TDs?

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they essentially gave up a 2nd round pick in 2011 in order to have a 1st round pick in 2011 instead of 2012.

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When you look at it this way, maybe too early to say "bad move."

Good point.

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I always say you can't judge decisions after the fact.

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i somewhat agree, but if you think this, i dont see how, at the time, that you would think this had many holes to where trading 1 pick away would hurt them.

we returned a lot of starters on both side the ball. RB was one of the 2 biggest needs on the roster, when you look at the top of the depth chart at each respective position.

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i dont see how, at the time, that you would think this had many holes to where trading 1 pick away would hurt them.

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As I've said I don't like taking RB's in the first period, let alone giving up an extra pick for one, not when the team in question has found plenty of effective RB's as FA's (Thomas, Ivory, Bell, Hamilton). While Ingram may have been the #1 RB in this class, I didn't think he was so much better than the next group of guys that it was worth it. The type of RB i'd take at 28, would not be there at 28.

The defense was not good last year. DL was a need, they did address that with Jordan and Rogers (somewhat suspect of that signing, but OK). The LB's sucked and that was not addressed. That they refuse to doesn't make giving up a pick to take a RB any better.

If you are worried about RB injuries, what about DB's, Porter and Greer seem to miss a ton of time.

I also have always questioned the OT's. Brees avoids a lot of sacks, but the T's are not that great.

The other thing is they gave Thomas a new deal. If they were letting him go, it would be different, but that's too much to tie up in RB's.

Another point is, while we may not have known all the contigencies at the time, something always pops up, that's why I'd rather collect, not give away draft picks.

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Can you explain this concept?

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I wish i had time to analyze each teams roster but just looking at nfc south which i'm familiar with it looks like defenses are composed of draft picks with more spread across the rounds.

I would bet this is probably true of most teams. If anyone wants to do a quick review of the top Ds would be nice to see.

Just a hypothesis, but would require statistical analysis to make conclusions i guess.

No matter how you want to slice it, they gave up a pick or used 2 picks on one guy. whether its giving up a 2 and using next year's 1 or giving up next years 1 moving this years 2 up 20 whatever spots, its still 2 picks.