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re: Windhorst: Pelicans will be sellers at deadline, Bledsoe also involved
Posted on 2/1/21 at 4:04 pm to NOSHAU
Posted on 2/1/21 at 4:04 pm to NOSHAU
We can revisit this offseason and next trade deadline. You really never can tell who will popup and be available.
The guy I would keep my eye on is probably Devin Booker.
The guy I would keep my eye on is probably Devin Booker.
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 4:06 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:This is a decent bet if they flame out in the first round of the playoffs these next 2 seasons, and Paul retires.
Devin Booker.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 4:12 pm to Epic Cajun
I'm going all in on a really good 2 way 3/4, rather than a Booker or Beal
Nets have 3 offensive savants and are STILL giving up 140 a game LOL
Nets have 3 offensive savants and are STILL giving up 140 a game LOL
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 2/1/21 at 4:22 pm to NOSHAU
That’s obviously THE question, but the NBA is such an evolving and fickle beast. From drastic injuries to explosive growth from unexpected players, situations can swing exponentially from year to year. It’s why we shouldn’t fault Griffin for keeping his powder dry and trying to maximize the window to get a star. You never know when a Paul George, James Harden, AD caliber guy all the sudden want out.
As who that could be, maybe Da’aron Fox demands out of SAC and takes that next step, or Jaylen Brown decides he wants his own team. Maybe you get KAT and you put him in a position where he finally figures out how to anchor a defense. Maybe you gamble on an injured guy like Oladipo and hope he turns back into an 8+ WS player, or maybe the GSW finally cut bait with Thompson and he returns to form. There’s a world where Simmons, Embiid, or Booker Could demand out by the end of the season.
My point is that the options are going to be out there, and putting an unrealistic timeline on this team is only going to hurt it in the end. You can’t look at it as “Beal or Lavine.” It should be “will Beal or Lavine be the guy to get the Pels over the hump?” If the answer is no, you wait till the next guy becomes available. The Pels have at the very least three more years to add that last final piece. Until then, they should be maximizing the potential of the guys they know will be here long term.
As who that could be, maybe Da’aron Fox demands out of SAC and takes that next step, or Jaylen Brown decides he wants his own team. Maybe you get KAT and you put him in a position where he finally figures out how to anchor a defense. Maybe you gamble on an injured guy like Oladipo and hope he turns back into an 8+ WS player, or maybe the GSW finally cut bait with Thompson and he returns to form. There’s a world where Simmons, Embiid, or Booker Could demand out by the end of the season.
My point is that the options are going to be out there, and putting an unrealistic timeline on this team is only going to hurt it in the end. You can’t look at it as “Beal or Lavine.” It should be “will Beal or Lavine be the guy to get the Pels over the hump?” If the answer is no, you wait till the next guy becomes available. The Pels have at the very least three more years to add that last final piece. Until then, they should be maximizing the potential of the guys they know will be here long term.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 4:29 pm to NOSHAU
I agree as well.
I also think we need to see what Bi and Zion do. If Bi can't be your closer and best perimeter player on a successful winning team, that's a problem. If we have to go get a Beal to be successful, that means BI takes the back seat to Beal and Zion.
Ideally, you'd like to keep Adams, add a 3 that can shoot and defend, like Barnes or Porter, and get a PG that can break a defense down by getting into the paint and being able to score or throw alley oops or kick out with efficiency, as well as hit wide open 3's at a nice rate. And i say that looking at Kira as that guy, but you aren't asking him to do too much. score 12-15ppg/8apb, play good defense, be a threat to hit open 3's and score when you penetrate. I'd expect pretty much the same from the Porter/Barnes role as well. That all works if BI can be the closer we expect him to be. Zion will have a hard time being that closer if he can't hit a jump shot.
AD says it all the time on the broadcast, that BI is working too hard to score, that it shouldn't be that hard to get open looks. I think that's where having 2 guards out there that aren't doing much of anything to provide spacing is killing him.
You see what happens when Lonzo plays well. We've won 2 games this year when Lonzo had a shitty shooting night, the Spurs and the OKC blowout(and he played good in this game outside of the crappy 3 point shooting). He's had 5 good shooting nights imo, and we won 4 of those(two Raptors, Wiz, Bucks). The loss was the Pacers debacle that we should have won if not for Lonzo's low bbiq.
Lonzo is 21-42 from 3 in those 5 games where we are 4-1, should be 5-0. He's 15-70 in the other 10 games, where we are 2-8, where he played really well in one of those despite the bad shooting. He's having a very huge impact on our record this year.
This right here is why people think he can be good, b/c you can see he's capable of playing really good at time, but when you watch a full season of him you see he's really shitty more often than not.
I also think we need to see what Bi and Zion do. If Bi can't be your closer and best perimeter player on a successful winning team, that's a problem. If we have to go get a Beal to be successful, that means BI takes the back seat to Beal and Zion.
Ideally, you'd like to keep Adams, add a 3 that can shoot and defend, like Barnes or Porter, and get a PG that can break a defense down by getting into the paint and being able to score or throw alley oops or kick out with efficiency, as well as hit wide open 3's at a nice rate. And i say that looking at Kira as that guy, but you aren't asking him to do too much. score 12-15ppg/8apb, play good defense, be a threat to hit open 3's and score when you penetrate. I'd expect pretty much the same from the Porter/Barnes role as well. That all works if BI can be the closer we expect him to be. Zion will have a hard time being that closer if he can't hit a jump shot.
AD says it all the time on the broadcast, that BI is working too hard to score, that it shouldn't be that hard to get open looks. I think that's where having 2 guards out there that aren't doing much of anything to provide spacing is killing him.
You see what happens when Lonzo plays well. We've won 2 games this year when Lonzo had a shitty shooting night, the Spurs and the OKC blowout(and he played good in this game outside of the crappy 3 point shooting). He's had 5 good shooting nights imo, and we won 4 of those(two Raptors, Wiz, Bucks). The loss was the Pacers debacle that we should have won if not for Lonzo's low bbiq.
Lonzo is 21-42 from 3 in those 5 games where we are 4-1, should be 5-0. He's 15-70 in the other 10 games, where we are 2-8, where he played really well in one of those despite the bad shooting. He's having a very huge impact on our record this year.
This right here is why people think he can be good, b/c you can see he's capable of playing really good at time, but when you watch a full season of him you see he's really shitty more often than not.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 5:04 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:I think that was more SVG's low bbiq.
The loss was the Pacers debacle that we should have won if not for Lonzo's low bbiq.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 5:41 pm to NOSHAU
I blame him too. But a pg with real bbiq that knows he can’t shoot and knows he has timeouts wouldnt shite his pants when the ball came to him. He’d grab it and call timeout instead of dribbling into trouble. That Lonzo has good bbiq is a fallacy people that don’t watch him regularly perpetuate about him.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 5:52 pm to TeddyPadillac
Lonzo has pretty good transition BBIQ
That's about it
Also good defensive IQ
That's about it
Also good defensive IQ
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 2/1/21 at 6:37 pm to Pelefraan 1
The Pels have two stars in BI and Zion. They need to spend some assets on the best glue/role players that they can buy to complement them.
We need unselfish defenders that can make wide open 3 pt shots. It isn’t rocket science. This method probably also allows for a sustainable organization.
Lonzo - Can’t consistently hit open jumpers, scared to drive to the basket frequently because he can’t shoot fts. Is in a contract year.
JJ - not a great defender and is not shooting well this year. He is not a future contributor as he is near the end of his career.
Melli - not shooting well. He is not a great defender.
Hart - not shooting well. While a solid glue guy he lacks length to guard bigger SFs. He is in a contract year. He is a great backup 2/3, but that isn’t what we need. We need a 3/4.
I think we should use our assets to look for better fits instead of superstars.
We need unselfish defenders that can make wide open 3 pt shots. It isn’t rocket science. This method probably also allows for a sustainable organization.
Lonzo - Can’t consistently hit open jumpers, scared to drive to the basket frequently because he can’t shoot fts. Is in a contract year.
JJ - not a great defender and is not shooting well this year. He is not a future contributor as he is near the end of his career.
Melli - not shooting well. He is not a great defender.
Hart - not shooting well. While a solid glue guy he lacks length to guard bigger SFs. He is in a contract year. He is a great backup 2/3, but that isn’t what we need. We need a 3/4.
I think we should use our assets to look for better fits instead of superstars.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:11 am to Colonel Flagg
Another 30pt night for Markkanen on 6-12 from 3.
I have no clue how the fit would work with Adams also being here. Do you extend him and bring him off the bench? I don't know.
But I know he's an actual NBA player, and if we can get a real NBA player for Lonzo, im doing it. We can figure out the rest later.
I have no clue how the fit would work with Adams also being here. Do you extend him and bring him off the bench? I don't know.
But I know he's an actual NBA player, and if we can get a real NBA player for Lonzo, im doing it. We can figure out the rest later.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:05 am to NOSHAU
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If it is not Beal or Lavine, who is the player the Pels should go after with an aggressive offer?
The Pels shouldn't be aggressively looking to be a buyer at the deadline. Quite the opposite.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:45 am to RUFshreve
quote:
The Pels shouldn't be aggressively looking to be a buyer at the deadline. Quite the opposite.
I guess it’s a glass half empty/full situation but we definitely do not need to acquire any more draft picks or projects... we have plenty
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:38 am to Pelefraan 1
quote:
Lonzo has pretty good transition BBIQ
Throughout his career something like 24% of Lonzo's transition possessions have ended in a turnover. He's horrid there.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:27 am to eyeran
quote:He is a good offensive player and offers nothing on defense at all. He also is a guy due for a contract that would not be happy coming off the bench as Zion's backup.
Another 30pt night for Markkanen on 6-12 from 3.
I have no clue how the fit would work with Adams also being here. Do you extend him and bring him off the bench? I don't know.
But I know he's an actual NBA player, and if we can get a real NBA player for Lonzo, im doing it. We can figure out the rest later.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:28 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:The timeout should have been called before the in-bounds so that we could advance. After the in-bound, JJ was trapped and the veteran that he is, did not call timeout. Yet, it was Lonzo's fault?
I blame him too. But a pg with real bbiq that knows he can’t shoot and knows he has timeouts wouldnt shite his pants when the ball came to him. He’d grab it and call timeout instead of dribbling into trouble. That Lonzo has good bbiq is a fallacy people that don’t watch him regularly perpetuate about him.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 10:15 am to NOSHAU
It was everyone's fault. Stop trying to let Lonzo off the hook for it.
It was Stan's fault first, then JJ's, then Stan's, then Lonzo's.
My point was to show that the perceived notion that Lonzo has good bbiq, is bullshite.
It was Stan's fault first, then JJ's, then Stan's, then Lonzo's.
My point was to show that the perceived notion that Lonzo has good bbiq, is bullshite.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 10:20 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Just pointing out that everyone seems to want to blame Lonzo for everything wrong with this team when that is far from the truth. Once he is gone, it will be NAW or Hayes or Bledsoe as the scapegoat.
It was everyone's fault. Stop trying to let Lonzo off the hook for it.
It was Stan's fault first, then JJ's, then Stan's, then Lonzo's.
My point was to show that the perceived notion that Lonzo has good bbiq, is bull shite.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 10:28 am to NOSHAU
What is wrong with this team is systemic. It is David Griffin's current philosophy and roster construction, and SVG's coaching and development philosophy.
Lonzo Ball and others are symptoms of that problem and do need to be moved.
Lonzo Ball and others are symptoms of that problem and do need to be moved.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 10:35 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Just pointing out that everyone seems to want to blame Lonzo for everything wrong with this team when that is far from the truth. Once he is gone, it will be NAW or Hayes or Bledsoe as the scapegoat.
I would agree. I've said it before that i think Lonzo can be a good nba player, but we are giving him zero chance to be successful here. We have problems from the top to the bottom right now. We have 2 great young players to build around, picks galore, what i will assume will be a top 10 pick this year, and i have very little confidence in our future.
Posted on 2/6/21 at 4:49 pm to TeddyPadillac
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