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re: Win Friday, lose to OKC in 4-5 v Lose Friday, 14th pick.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:41 pm to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:41 pm to Pels_Yaz
I'm glad you got this victory tonight. I'm sorry I didn't follow through with not addressing you anymore. Sometimes you just have to point and laugh at the whack take guy. My bad
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:43 pm to Townedrunkard
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And it’s not some bad picks. History has shown Griff has missed a lot more with first round picks than he’s hit so it doesn’t matter. I don’t count Zion because any monkey in a suit was taking him
I’m no griff fan but he’s been a pretty good drafter since he’s been here. He hasn’t really had a miss since Kira 4 years ago. Hell NAW is a legit rotation guy on the wolves. You could argue he could’ve picked someone else besides Dyson but it’s not like Dyson sucks by any means. JAX and Kira are his only misses. He’s also found guys like Naji and Jose as undrafted guys
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:45 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Sometimes you just have to point and laugh at the whack take guy.
Look in the mirror.
Apology accepted.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:52 pm to Pels_Yaz
I need a bit more clarity on BI tbh
He’s just back off an injury and returned in a beta role
I wouldn’t mind seeing him in an alpha role again in the playoffs.
At one point of the season, Zion and BI were co existing well and gaining chemistry. Then BI got injured.
He’s just back off an injury and returned in a beta role
I wouldn’t mind seeing him in an alpha role again in the playoffs.
At one point of the season, Zion and BI were co existing well and gaining chemistry. Then BI got injured.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:29 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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I wouldn’t mind seeing him in an alpha role again in the playoffs. At one point of the season, Zion and BI were co existing well and gaining chemistry. Then BI got injured.
I guess. I think there is a ceiling to the BI alpha role and its the first round.
They were coexisting but BI had reduced his scoring avg. I actually thought he was playing well too but I question he would accept a role like that full time. I mean the way he reacted last night clearly showed me hes not going to accept that. BI has some maturity issues and I think he needs to realize thats hes not a number one.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:54 pm to Balsamic_duck
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I’m no griff fan but he’s been a pretty good drafter since he’s been here. He hasn’t really had a miss since Kira 4 years ago. Hell NAW is a legit rotation guy on the wolves. You could argue he could’ve picked someone else besides Dyson but it’s not like Dyson sucks by any means. JAX and Kira are his only misses. He’s also found guys like Naji and Jose as undrafted guys
He hit on two undrafted guys. I’m talking about his draft record. I’d say almost every gm would have taken Garland or Hunter with number 4. This numbnuts moves down and picks two major misses for us. NAW was given away for peanuts and Jax was a complete bust for us. Add all the other very productive players picked after Kira was drafted and it looks bad. That’s alot of misses. And it’s still hard to forget his Bennett pick with the Cavs. And the fact he would have traded Haliburton if he made it one more spot.
DD is the pick I liked the most that he’s made in the first.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:04 pm to Townedrunkard
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He hit on two undrafted guys. I’m talking about his draft record. I’d say almost every gm would have taken Garland or Hunter with number 4. This numbnuts moves down and picks two major misses for us. NAW was given away for peanuts and Jax was a complete bust for us. Add all the other very productive players picked after Kira was drafted and it looks bad. That’s alot of misses. And it’s still hard to forget his Bennett pick with the Cavs. And the fact he would have traded Haliburton if he made it one more spot. DD is the pick I liked the most that he’s made in the first.
What about Trey and Hawkins? NAW wasn’t given away for peanuts, he was apart of the CJ trade and you can’t knock griff for NAW when he drafted him. I count 2 misses, Jax and Kira. Out of 6 1sts. That’s a pretty good hit rate.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:07 am to Macintosh504
Still want to say we were TRULY in playoffs for such a decent season. Plus, 14-end of 1st round is really a crap-shoot for selecting a rotational player/starter.
We actually match up well with OKC, sans JWill. He kills the Pels every game. But, hey maybe Zion comes back during the series. Doubtful.
Always seems that we can't get right when it matters most.
We actually match up well with OKC, sans JWill. He kills the Pels every game. But, hey maybe Zion comes back during the series. Doubtful.
Always seems that we can't get right when it matters most.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:22 am to whatiknowsofar
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you can kindly suck my balls
if only you had any.... all due respect
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The draft is a fricking crapshoot.
well, god damn... i'm glad you cleared this up for the rest of the world that apparently didn't know this already.... but when you look at it, especially in the NBA, the higher the guy is drafted, they typically are better players.... crazy, i know.... and that's not even going into how much more trade value 14 has over 21...
making the playoffs only to likely get swept by OKC does NOTHING for this team going forward, in terms of long term strategy/roster development... its purely a moral victory, breeds complacency in the front office, coaching staff, and ownership, and does nothing to progress us any further than we currently are.... but hey print the shirts... "Pelicans 2024 Playoff participants"
Posted on 4/18/24 at 4:22 am to whatiknowsofar
The playoff experience will be very valuable for our young guys: Trey, Herb, Jose, and Dyson. That, by itself, is worth way more than just a couple of draft slots.
But we also know the playoffs are worth a fair amount of money to Gayle, and the balance sheet matters in terms of the decisions Griff gets to make.
But we also know the playoffs are worth a fair amount of money to Gayle, and the balance sheet matters in terms of the decisions Griff gets to make.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 5:42 am to GOP_Tiger
I have lost a lot of interest in this team. The loss of Zion again, a starting center that doesn't appear to be in the coaches game plan, and expensive playoff tickets for a team not going anywhere aren't an enticement.
I need some roster changes and a summer of separation to rebuild my excitement.
I need some roster changes and a summer of separation to rebuild my excitement.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 7:13 am to chRxis
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especially in the NBA, the higher the guy is drafted, they typically are better players.... crazy, i know.... and that's not even going into how much more trade value 14 has over 21...
That is simply not true when you get into the teens-early 20s of the draft picks.
LINK
This page perfectly illustrates my point of how little a difference the 14th pick is from the 21st. The success rate is practically identical.
For every pick you can show me at 14 I can show you one later that had the same success if not more.
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making the playoffs only to likely get swept by OKC does NOTHING for this team going forward, in terms of long term strategy/roster development... its purely a moral victory, breeds complacency in the front office, coaching staff, and ownership, and does nothing to progress us any further than we currently are.... but hey print the shirts... "Pelicans 2024 Playoff participants"
If this is your logic then why should we try to make the playoffs any year that we aren't truly contending? No one thought we would win a title this year with Zion, so we should've stopped? Oh wait his playoff rep minutes would've done wonders for his growth? But not guys like Trey Murphy? What double standard type bullshite are we talking about?
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:09 am to PNG Futbol
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expensive playoff tickets
Really? Tickets are dirt cheap. I got tickets with unlimited food and drinks for $200 each. You can get lower bowl seats for under $100.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:18 am to Balsamic_duck
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What about Trey and Hawkins? NAW wasn’t given away for peanuts, he was apart of the CJ trade and you can’t knock griff for NAW when he drafted him. I count 2 misses, Jax and Kira. Out of 6 1sts. That’s a pretty good hit rate.
If he was worth anything Griff would have hung on to him. I’m sure he was in the trade to just match salaries. The Blazers didn’t want him. They traded him soon after for a player that was out for the year and on an expiring deal. So I stand corrected, that is actually less than peanuts….
It’s great that he finally developed into a rotation level player on his 4th team but hey lets give credit to Griffs drafting skills when he passed up an all star level pg that we could really use right now.
And the book is still out on Hawkins. I wanted Whitmore during the draft. It’s still early so we will see how that plays out.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 8:51 am
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:45 am to Broski
Always play to win with what you’ve got.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:59 am to Fun Bunch
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Win Friday
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:16 am to Whodatforlife21
For a season ticket holder, the tickets are expensive for what I am getting this year.
The fact that the resale market is so cheap majes it even worse.
The fact that the resale market is so cheap majes it even worse.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:03 pm to whatiknowsofar
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should we try to make the playoffs any year that we aren't truly contending?
we absolutely should have pressed on full steam ahead... however, the injury to Zion changes that drastically.... let's be realistic.... this situation is just like we seem to have with the Saints damn near every year.... is it beneficial to win the battle knowing you stand no chance in the war, and sabotaging potential future ramifications in the process.... we can probably beat the Kings without Zion... we already have... but we absolutely CANNOT beat OKC without him, so to me, and to many other people, the future possible higher draft capital outweighs a win vs. the Kings... at the end of the day, the result will be the same whether Friday night this week, or a week or so from now at the hands of OKC... the only thing different, realistically, is the FACT that our draft position will be lower... but at the end of the day, we still fall way short of what we all thought this season could possibly shape up to be, so the value of a better possible future outweighs what I see as a meaningless win Friday night... a lot like masturbation, sure it'll feel good, but at the end of the day, we are only going to be fricking ourselves...
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Oh wait his playoff rep minutes would've done wonders for his growth? But not guys like Trey Murphy?
there's no guarantee that those miinutes do anything for any of those guys... to think that b/c a player gets playoff experience, all of a sudden that makes them a sure fire thing next time around in the playoffs... you and I know there's no guarantee there... but what IS guaranteed is we win Friday, and lose out to OKC, we slip further in the draft, which decreases the capital that we could have to make our roster better, whether via draft or trade or both
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:58 pm to chRxis
I completely agree with you.
But it’s useless to argue this point right now. We live an immediate gratification generation and society- so people just want playoffs. They want to get excited for something. The reasoning is we need to get young guy playoff minutes because even though our star is hurt the role guys can get better in the playoffs. Which Im not saying wont help- but higher draft pick and pressure to make changes in the organization are frankly more important long term.
But it’s useless to argue this point right now. We live an immediate gratification generation and society- so people just want playoffs. They want to get excited for something. The reasoning is we need to get young guy playoff minutes because even though our star is hurt the role guys can get better in the playoffs. Which Im not saying wont help- but higher draft pick and pressure to make changes in the organization are frankly more important long term.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:00 pm to chRxis
I've already linked math showing the pick hit rate between 14 and 21 is almost the same. There's no point arguing this anymore if people are just going to ignore math.
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