re: Win Friday, lose to OKC in 4-5 v Lose Friday, 14th pick.

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Provide the math showing how playoff basketball positively impacts a player developing at a higher rate and how that is more valuable than having a draft pick 7 slots higher.

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No one has charted that information. But you already knew that. What I have shown is that there is minimal difference in the hit rate of the pick, and at bare minimum getting guys like murphy and Dyson and Herb playoff reps can't hurt. It's also not an absolute certainty that we'll lose to the Thunder either. They're a rolled sga ankle away from it being an interesting series too.

You would prefer to lose for no real gain, except for your next part

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is a much bigger benefit to this organization than to them missing the playoffs and putting pressure to making serious organizational changes.

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Theres no way of you or I knowing what bar needs to be met for any change to be made. I can guarantee you Griffin will hang his hat on 49 wins regardless of if we win tomorrow or not. Willie is apparently already extended, and I doubt they remove Griffin, and you know that doesn't matter if we win tomorrow or not, and I'm not going to invent some hypothetical math bullshite like you to reinforce my point either.

it’s not a choice, whatever happens will happen. I will say this and it sounds awful but whatever…I had more fun as a pels fan and stayed engaged longer when they were bottoming out and team-building

This current situation of not being able to beat good teams with real stakes on the line is so discouraging and frustrating. I realize it’s about expectations but that’s how it goes. I had very little joy watching the team this year. They bore me

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It's also not an absolute certainty that we'll lose to the Thunder either.

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you sound pretty confident... care to wager a bet?

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Aren't you the one who said we wouldn't win more than one of our last 5 regular season games?

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more than 2 of the last 7 and yes, with the way we were playing at the time, i did not see us beating anyone other than SAS and Portland... i, much like, everyone else here, at one time or another, was wrong about a prediction.... i suspect it will not be my last nor that anyone else, yourself included, will never be wrong about a prediction...

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I would like this team at some point in my lifetime to win a title.

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I mean sure, but I don't think us winning the title is as razor thin as whether we get the 14th pick or the 21st pick.

The NBA draft as a whole is kind of a crapshoot once you get past pick 8.


Don't get me wrong, when I know coming into a season that we're, at best, a borderline playoff team, I'd rather us just tank for a high lottery pick. But for this season, when we came in with expectations of maybe fricking around and making the 2nd round or even a darkhorse run to the WCF. I'd rather us at least make the playoffs just to show that at least some of my investment emotionally and financially this season was worth it.

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You're missing the point of my response.

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no, i clearly got the gotcha attempt... but i have no problem admitting, unlike many others here, when i'm wrong about something...

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I'd rather us at least make the playoffs just to show that at least some of my investment emotionally and financially this season was worth it.

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and before the Zion injury, i'd totally agree with you... but after the injury, i don't see it the same way...

there is a lot to be proud of for various players on this team this year... can't say the same for the coaching, but some guys took some big steps this year, so the season won't be a total loss, playoffs or not

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If that's what you think it was, then yeah... you definitely missed the point

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gotcha, calling out about a prior "wrong" prediction, perceived negativity... whatever...

no, i got what you were doing, or what "point" you thought you were trying to make

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They're a rolled sga ankle away from it being an interesting series too.

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So you’re admitting this is not an even an interesting series unless their star player gets hurt and thats your best hope for this series to be even remotely competitive. So serious question then, because Zion is out, most of these guys will have added responsibilities and/or playing time- meaning they’re likely out of their roles. Its also likely we will get swept or a 5 game series- can you make a fair assessment of these players playing out of their roles without Zion then? Like for instance say Dyson or Trey look horrible in this series- is that a fair assessment since they’re completely out of their role and we’re missing Zion? What benefit has this playoff experience provided them?

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Theres no way of you or I knowing what bar needs to be met for any change to be made.

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Agreed. But not making the playoffs puts added pressure to make changes than not. Even if they in the end dont.

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and I'm not going to invent some hypothetical math bullshite like you to reinforce my point either.

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I think you have a sound argument. Im not trying to be an arse here. We just have different views on how to approach this. What irritates me is how my view is automatically seen as this horrendous view when its just the long term view. I understand your view, I just think in the long run it gives us no substantial benefit.

Organizations make this type of decisions all the time- yes I know different circumstances but the Mavs did this last year rather than get the 10 seed and they even had Luka and Kyrie healthy. Its paid dividends for them because of Lively. I know people will argue the details are substantially different. But its the same logic- giving up short term gain for long term growth in the organization. Just to be clear Im not asking or expecting Pels to lose this game. Im just saying what I think would be more beneficial for this organization moving forward.