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Will Guillory: Why the Pelicans stayed (mostly) quiet during the NBA trade deadline
Posted on 2/9/23 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 2/9/23 at 9:40 pm
A couple of interesting bits in this article:
Griff obviously has reasons to believe that we can re-sign Richardson.
Edit: Guillory has clarified that he only meant that we were keeping Richardson for the rest of the season (instead of waiving him).
It turned out that The Athletic's Raptors beat writer was correct that Toronto would insist on Herb + either Dyson or Trey, and Will Guillory was correct that we wouldn't do that.
Which I think is the correct take. I love Herb, but Dyson is going to be better. Trey gets better every week. We still have nine players age 25 or younger (but let's subtract Jaxson and call it eight), and those players will improve by next season. Zion, BI, Naji, Jose, Trey, and Kira all made nice improvements to their games this season; Dyson is clearly going to get better; and even Herb, who suffered from a sophomore slump for a while, has really returned to form and is poised to get even better.
We should really be top contenders next season, if we can fix the center position in the offseason.
But I don't really agree with Guillory. We didn't decide not to push in some more chips -- we just could get the deal done with the Raptors. Because everything we read said that we were pushing hard for Anunoby.
I really don't understand what happened in Toronto. The Raptors were pumping potential Anunoby deals left and right and had three teams highly interested (including us), and then wouldn't deal him. In fact, despite the fact that they are in 10th place in the East and 13.5 games back, they were buyers at the deadline, not sellers.
That's the kind of thing that really changes other GMs' opinions about you, Masai. Don't all but announce to the league that you're going to trade a player, constantly leak to Shams and Woj about all the teams that want him and the bidding war that you've got going on, and then say that you were just messing with everyone and had your fingers crossed the whole time.
quote:
While Richardson, 29, is in the final year of his contract, a team source confirmed the Pelicans plan to keep him on the roster after this deal.
Griff obviously has reasons to believe that we can re-sign Richardson.
Edit: Guillory has clarified that he only meant that we were keeping Richardson for the rest of the season (instead of waiving him).
quote:
The Pelicans didn’t show much interest in including former first-round picks Trey Murphy and Dyson Daniels in potential deals
It turned out that The Athletic's Raptors beat writer was correct that Toronto would insist on Herb + either Dyson or Trey, and Will Guillory was correct that we wouldn't do that.
Which I think is the correct take. I love Herb, but Dyson is going to be better. Trey gets better every week. We still have nine players age 25 or younger (but let's subtract Jaxson and call it eight), and those players will improve by next season. Zion, BI, Naji, Jose, Trey, and Kira all made nice improvements to their games this season; Dyson is clearly going to get better; and even Herb, who suffered from a sophomore slump for a while, has really returned to form and is poised to get even better.
We should really be top contenders next season, if we can fix the center position in the offseason.
But I don't really agree with Guillory. We didn't decide not to push in some more chips -- we just could get the deal done with the Raptors. Because everything we read said that we were pushing hard for Anunoby.
I really don't understand what happened in Toronto. The Raptors were pumping potential Anunoby deals left and right and had three teams highly interested (including us), and then wouldn't deal him. In fact, despite the fact that they are in 10th place in the East and 13.5 games back, they were buyers at the deadline, not sellers.
That's the kind of thing that really changes other GMs' opinions about you, Masai. Don't all but announce to the league that you're going to trade a player, constantly leak to Shams and Woj about all the teams that want him and the bidding war that you've got going on, and then say that you were just messing with everyone and had your fingers crossed the whole time.
This post was edited on 2/10/23 at 7:37 am
Posted on 2/9/23 at 9:55 pm to GOP_Tiger
were the Pelicans really that interested or was Toronto spilling b.s. to try and drive up the price on Memphis?
Posted on 2/9/23 at 10:02 pm to hsfolk
If we sign JR to a deal then all the people complaining about avoiding the tax can chill. We’d probably sign him to a 1-2 year deal for around the same money devonte was going to make except JR is much more highly viewed around the league and would be salary matching in a future deal
This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 2/9/23 at 10:07 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
Griff obviously has reasons to believe that we can re-sign Richardson.
lets just say this, we're gonna have a plethora of young guys at guard, but it is time to move them for a big man.
CJ: 35.8mi
Ingram: 33.8mil
Zion: 33.5mil (assuming not the supermax)
JV: 15.4mil
Nance: 10.375mil
Daniels: 5.8mil
Lewis: 5.7mil
Murphy: 3.36mil
Hernangomez: 2.56mil
Marshall: 1.93mil
Jones: 1.83mil
Alvarado: 1.83mil
Free agents:
Richardson: UFA
Hayes: RFA
GT: 5.4mil (decline option)
So we have:
PG: McCollum, Daniels, Alvarado, Lewis
SG: Jones, Marshall, Murphy
SF: Ingram, Murphy, Marshall
PF: Williamson, Murphy, Liddell
C: JV, Hernangomez
That's not including Richardson, who would create a further logjam at guard.
I really like our guys, they're all so easy to root for...but its time to move 2 of Lewis, Alvarado, and Marshall if the intent is to keep Richardson.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 10:58 pm to htran90
quote:
but its time to move 2 of Lewis, Alvarado, and Marshall if the intent is to keep Richardson.
Uhh hell no?
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:08 pm to htran90
quote:
That's not including Richardson, who would create a further logjam at guard.
I really like our guys, they're all so easy to root for...but its time to move 2 of Lewis, Alvarado, and Marshall if the intent is to keep Richardson.
JR would be signed to have salary to move later
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:42 pm to Balsamic_duck
Guillory just clarified that he meant after the trade not the season meaning the Pels will not be buying him out
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:35 am to BallHawk
Yeah, I saw that. I will edit my OP.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:52 am to BallHawk
The thing I really like about this signing is it improves the Pels bench in the area of most need, but also let’s the Pels have a ton of flexibility going into next season regarding tax or no tax based on how they decide to handle JV, Herb, Naji, JR, Jax, Kira, Billy, Temple, and picks/trades.
That lets this squad have a shot at competing without hamstringing mgmt into a particular direction, so they can make decisions based on results.
That lets this squad have a shot at competing without hamstringing mgmt into a particular direction, so they can make decisions based on results.
This post was edited on 2/10/23 at 7:54 am
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:44 am to htran90
quote:
So we have:
PG: McCollum, Daniels, Alvarado, Lewis
SG: Jones, Marshall, Murphy
SF: Ingram, Murphy, Marshall
PF: Williamson, Murphy, Liddell
C: JV, Hernangomez
I assume you meant to include Nance in this, but simply forgot
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:56 am to LSUgrad88
Given Nance has been hurt a lot lately, it is likely an honest omission.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 9:09 am to htran90
quote:
So we have:
PG: McCollum, Daniels, Alvarado, Lewis
SG: Jones, Marshall, Murphy
SF: Ingram, Murphy, Marshall
PF: Williamson, Murphy, Liddell
C: JV, Hernangomez
That backup PF position is a pretty glaring issue, particularly with Zion being a guy that likely benefits from fewer minutes. Love Trey, but he is a tall SG and just gets killed down low. Maybe Liddell is the answer, but he’s only 6’5.5” although he has a 8’10” standing reach and is stoutly built at 240 or so. Still, that’s scary thin behind a max player that has missed so much time and it has already really hurt the Pels this year.
This post was edited on 2/10/23 at 9:11 am
Posted on 2/10/23 at 9:12 am to BamaPelican
quote:
That backup PF position is a pretty glaring issue, particularly with Zion being a guy that likely benefits from fewer minutes. Love Trey, but he is a tall SG and just gets killed down low. Maybe Liddell is the answer, but he’s only 6’5.5” although he has a 8’10” standing reach and is stoutly built at 240 or so. Still, that’s scary thin behind a max player that has missed so much time and it has already really hurt the Pels this year.
Thats why i wanted to move for chris boucher. makes ~11/yr. maybe we could get him this offseason for kira + temple if toronto wants to shed future money
Posted on 2/10/23 at 10:12 am to Balsamic_duck
Why didn't the pels get in on vanderbilt and beasley?
The lakers made out with bamba, Vanderbilt, and beasley.
The lakers made out with bamba, Vanderbilt, and beasley.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 10:17 am to teke184
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Given Nance has been hurt a lot lately, it is likely an honest omission.
He's played 46 of 56 games. Sure as hell wish BI and Zion would only be hurt as often as Larry.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 10:22 am to LSUgrad88
quote:
I assume you meant to include Nance in this, but simply forgot
Yeah and even still, he's a "small ball 5" moreso than a 4, we REALLY needed a big defender or someone who can space. that is a GLARING weakness compared to the guard/wing spots
Posted on 2/10/23 at 10:39 am to Chalkywhite84
quote:because getting either or both without sending out massive expiring salary (which the pels dont have) would have cost much more in draft equity, which is why utah didnt trade them elsewhere because the offers of big time draft picks for them didnt exist
Why didn't the pels get in on vanderbilt and beasley?
Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:19 am to cgrand
quote:
because getting either or both without sending out massive expiring salary (which the pels dont have) would have cost much more in draft equity, which is why utah didnt trade them elsewhere because the offers of big time draft picks for them didnt exist
From all intel coming out it seems we had two options, either one big move, or send the 2nds for Rich
Doesn’t seem like they were willing to give up a 1st for anything but a big move, which makes even more sense right now because we are the only ones pretty much left in the “contender” bracket that could make a huge move and outbid anyone else.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:22 am to cgrand
quote:Yea, I'm truly scratching my head here at why Ainge would value more cap space this offseason over more draft pick assets with that deal.
because getting either or both without sending out massive expiring salary (which the pels dont have) would have cost much more in draft equity, which is why utah didnt trade them elsewhere
For what it seems like he wanted, we couldn't get there. I just don't know why he wanted that over draft assets. I'd assume he'd want to tank next season and not try to be good, but who knows.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:24 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Doesn’t seem like they were willing to give up a 1st for anything but a big move, which makes even more sense right now because we are the only ones pretty much left in the “contender” bracket that could make a huge move and outbid anyone else.
Exactly. I also think it will be easier for Brooklyn to trade Bridges for mostly picks in the offseason vs. yesterday. Yesterday they needed as good of a player as possible in return to show something after sending out KD.
This summer JV, Kira, Naji and a bunch of picks for Bridges and Claxton after the Nets flame out in the playoffs is probably an easier sell because it will be seen as a path towards finding another star player.
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